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> Just like it doesn't matter that I frequently am uncertain about spelling for some words because we have spell check built into everything. But it does matte

by bigstrat2003 2y ago

> Just like it doesn't matter that I frequently am uncertain about spelling for some words because we have spell check built into everything. But it does matter that you don't know the spelling for some words. For one, you don't always have a computer to fix it for you. For two, the computer's spelling is often wrong and you need the human knowledge to fill that gap.

anal_reactor 2y ago
> For one, you don't always have a computer to fix it for you. You can't be serious. I thought that the "you need to be good at algebra because you won't have a calculator in your pocket" argument died out naturally. I can't recall the last time I actually made hand-written notes. > For two, the computer's spelling is often wrong and you need the human knowledge to fill that gap. It happens to me once a month that the computer cannot recognize a correctly spelled word, and virtually never in English.
- bigstrat2003 2y ago
  > You can't be serious. I thought that the "you need to be good at algebra because you won't have a calculator in your pocket" argument died out naturally. I can't recall the last time I actually made hand-written notes. Then you are an extreme outlier. Most people write plenty of things down by hand in their day to day life. And there's no reason for the argument to die out, because it's completely correct. > It happens to me once a month that the computer cannot recognize a correctly spelled word, and virtually never in English. Again, this seems like an outlier. False positives and false negatives are both quite common in spell checkers.
  - anal_reactor 2y ago
    > Then you are an extreme outlier. If that were the case then the problem described in the article would be limited to just a few outliers like me. But it's not. > Again, this seems like an outlier. No u. The fact that you are on this website means that you most likely are educated, therefore you are likely to use uncommon words unknown to the spellchecker. Most people focus on just a handful of basic words needed for everyday life, and besides that, very few people actually care about correct spelling. All of my friends have at least college degree and 50% of them pay zero attention to correct spelling, I can only assume that average Joe cares even less.
e63f67dd-065b 2y ago
The interesting thing here is that nobody writes chinese one character at a time with pinyin; you almost always type out an entire phrase in pinyin, and usually there's only one meaningfully correct combination of those sounds in terms of characters and meaning (that's how the listener can tell what you're saying, after all, when listening) which will be the first choice in your input software (input software traditionally gives you a first choice with what it thinks the entire phrase is, and gets shorter with the 2nd choice onwards to partially match a phrase.) The problem is not that people can't recognise the words; it's that we can't write them if given pen a paper. If the phone gets it wrong you just choose the nth choice instead of the first.

anal_reactor 2y ago

> For one, you don't always have a computer to fix it for you. You can't be serious. I thought that the "you need to be good at algebra because you won't have a calculator in your pocket" argument died out naturally. I can't recall the last time I actually made hand-written notes. > For two, the computer's spelling is often wrong and you need the human knowledge to fill that gap. It happens to me once a month that the computer cannot recognize a correctly spelled word, and virtually never in English.

bigstrat2003 2y ago
> You can't be serious. I thought that the "you need to be good at algebra because you won't have a calculator in your pocket" argument died out naturally. I can't recall the last time I actually made hand-written notes. Then you are an extreme outlier. Most people write plenty of things down by hand in their day to day life. And there's no reason for the argument to die out, because it's completely correct. > It happens to me once a month that the computer cannot recognize a correctly spelled word, and virtually never in English. Again, this seems like an outlier. False positives and false negatives are both quite common in spell checkers.
- anal_reactor 2y ago
  > Then you are an extreme outlier. If that were the case then the problem described in the article would be limited to just a few outliers like me. But it's not. > Again, this seems like an outlier. No u. The fact that you are on this website means that you most likely are educated, therefore you are likely to use uncommon words unknown to the spellchecker. Most people focus on just a handful of basic words needed for everyday life, and besides that, very few people actually care about correct spelling. All of my friends have at least college degree and 50% of them pay zero attention to correct spelling, I can only assume that average Joe cares even less.

e63f67dd-065b 2y ago

The interesting thing here is that nobody writes chinese one character at a time with pinyin; you almost always type out an entire phrase in pinyin, and usually there's only one meaningfully correct combination of those sounds in terms of characters and meaning (that's how the listener can tell what you're saying, after all, when listening) which will be the first choice in your input software (input software traditionally gives you a first choice with what it thinks the entire phrase is, and gets shorter with the 2nd choice onwards to partially match a phrase.) The problem is not that people can't recognise the words; it's that we can't write them if given pen a paper. If the phone gets it wrong you just choose the nth choice instead of the first.