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I think more importantly we may have failed to identify the bigger threat . China is #1 in many of these financial metrics and on track to take us down economic

I think more importantly we may have failed to identify the bigger threat . China is #1 in many of these financial metrics and on track to take us down economically. They’re also ramping up to invade Taiwan which would bring us into a military conflict as well. Imagine if we allied with Russia and had China’s neighbors ready to pounce on them when that happens. War makes strange bedfellows, in WW2 we allied with Russia against the greater Nazi threat.

dilyevsky 2y ago
> Imagine if we allied with Russia and had China’s neighbors ready to pounce on them when that happens. If you think that was ever in the cards i have a bridge to sell you
protomolecule 2y ago
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- Wytwwww 2y ago
  No, their have their own homegrown (objectively) fascist government. They also seem to be very happy about that government deciding to needlessly kill or cripple hundreds of thousands of Russian men for who knows what reason...
  - protomolecule 2y ago
    Compared to dying in millions for American interests. Thanks, still no.
    - Wytwwww 2y ago
      > Compared to dying in millions Must be fun coming up with imaginary scenarios and basing your "arguments" and claims on them? That's just a bizarrely absurd thing to say... Under what circumstances or what chain of events could lead to millions of Russians dying for American interests? US was/is perfectly fine with ignoring Russia as long as it didn't go overboard with its imperialist ambitions and engaged in (mutually beneficial) economic relations with most of European countries. Bush, Obama and Trump tried pursuing a policy cooperation/appeasement for years. Where did that get us?
      - protomolecule 2y ago
        Good luck 'pouncing at China' then. We'll stay aside and grab some popcorn. Or maybe we'll give a helping hand. To China.
Wytwwww 2y ago
Imagine if nobody had any incentives to do stuff like that? As long as Chinese leaders remain reasonably rational and US/Taiwan maintain a high level if deterrence China won't invade. Russia invaded Ukraine because (supposedly) Putin et al. believed that it will be a repeat of 2014. Quick invasion/coup and their in control of the country before US/NATO can react. As long as Winnie the Pooh doesn't think he can somehow that off in Taiwan why would he invade? Russia will never be on US/EU's side in any conflict vs China. Maybe short-term they might make some concessions if we let them have most of Eastern Europe to... > WW2 we allied with Russia against the greater Nazi threat Only because the Nazi's backstabbed the USSR. Until that very moment they were affectively allied to Germany and they even bankrolled their invasions of France and Norway (Germany would have run out of oil a few months after Poland without the Soviets). France and Britain has almost serious plans to attack the USSR in Finland and Azerbaijan before the Battle of France.

dilyevsky 2y ago

> Imagine if we allied with Russia and had China’s neighbors ready to pounce on them when that happens. If you think that was ever in the cards i have a bridge to sell you

protomolecule 2y ago

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Wytwwww 2y ago
No, their have their own homegrown (objectively) fascist government. They also seem to be very happy about that government deciding to needlessly kill or cripple hundreds of thousands of Russian men for who knows what reason...
- protomolecule 2y ago
  Compared to dying in millions for American interests. Thanks, still no.
  - Wytwwww 2y ago
    > Compared to dying in millions Must be fun coming up with imaginary scenarios and basing your "arguments" and claims on them? That's just a bizarrely absurd thing to say... Under what circumstances or what chain of events could lead to millions of Russians dying for American interests? US was/is perfectly fine with ignoring Russia as long as it didn't go overboard with its imperialist ambitions and engaged in (mutually beneficial) economic relations with most of European countries. Bush, Obama and Trump tried pursuing a policy cooperation/appeasement for years. Where did that get us?
    - protomolecule 2y ago
      Good luck 'pouncing at China' then. We'll stay aside and grab some popcorn. Or maybe we'll give a helping hand. To China.

Wytwwww 2y ago

Imagine if nobody had any incentives to do stuff like that? As long as Chinese leaders remain reasonably rational and US/Taiwan maintain a high level if deterrence China won't invade. Russia invaded Ukraine because (supposedly) Putin et al. believed that it will be a repeat of 2014. Quick invasion/coup and their in control of the country before US/NATO can react. As long as Winnie the Pooh doesn't think he can somehow that off in Taiwan why would he invade? Russia will never be on US/EU's side in any conflict vs China. Maybe short-term they might make some concessions if we let them have most of Eastern Europe to... > WW2 we allied with Russia against the greater Nazi threat Only because the Nazi's backstabbed the USSR. Until that very moment they were affectively allied to Germany and they even bankrolled their invasions of France and Norway (Germany would have run out of oil a few months after Poland without the Soviets). France and Britain has almost serious plans to attack the USSR in Finland and Azerbaijan before the Battle of France.