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What about it is either ambitious or progressive? They’ve not even met the goals they said they would meet 3 years ago.

mbrumlow 2y ago
I hate this argument in business. A goal not some metric that has to be met. It’s a goal, an aspiration to do something, not a deadline. Most businesses ran by people who use goals as deadlines fail horridly. This is one thing many of the major companies that are ultra successful have in common. They are ran by people who set goals, failed to meet the goal - and continued to move forward.
- thejazzman 2y ago
  Selling a product for money and then delivering the product without those features is fraud. The gymnastics this cult does is infuriating. The dude lies. Constantly. I own 3 teslas. I like the cars. Doesn't mean the CEO doesn't constantly lie and under deliver. It doesn't matter if the car cures cancer. It doesn't make his past lies become truths.
  - mbrumlow 2y ago
    Name me a product that Tesla has sold that did not meet the spec advertised on the buy page with the price? You can’t. What you can do is name cases where Tesla says they aspire to make “X” and er got “Y” by the time we could buy it. The closest thing we have to what you describe is FSD or whatever they call it. And it was sold as hardware that would be used once they got it working. The only gymnastics we have here is you trying to make a case for fraud. You are the one acting cult like, and yes it is infuriating to us who are not obsessed with Elon. I don’t know dem own a Tesla product, and probably never will. Furthermore my comment was completely disconnected from Tesla and was an attack on a style of thinking related to all companies. Then you who are obsessed with Elon brought all that baggage into it simply because you worried that a sound and logical comment might not align with your view of the person you are obsessed with.
lazyeye 2y ago
If only Elon was more like your average commenter on HN, just imagine what he could have achieved then....

I hate this argument in business. A goal not some metric that has to be met. It’s a goal, an aspiration to do something, not a deadline. Most businesses ran by people who use goals as deadlines fail horridly. This is one thing many of the major companies that are ultra successful have in common. They are ran by people who set goals, failed to meet the goal - and continued to move forward.

thejazzman 2y ago
Selling a product for money and then delivering the product without those features is fraud. The gymnastics this cult does is infuriating. The dude lies. Constantly. I own 3 teslas. I like the cars. Doesn't mean the CEO doesn't constantly lie and under deliver. It doesn't matter if the car cures cancer. It doesn't make his past lies become truths.
- mbrumlow 2y ago
  Name me a product that Tesla has sold that did not meet the spec advertised on the buy page with the price? You can’t. What you can do is name cases where Tesla says they aspire to make “X” and er got “Y” by the time we could buy it. The closest thing we have to what you describe is FSD or whatever they call it. And it was sold as hardware that would be used once they got it working. The only gymnastics we have here is you trying to make a case for fraud. You are the one acting cult like, and yes it is infuriating to us who are not obsessed with Elon. I don’t know dem own a Tesla product, and probably never will. Furthermore my comment was completely disconnected from Tesla and was an attack on a style of thinking related to all companies. Then you who are obsessed with Elon brought all that baggage into it simply because you worried that a sound and logical comment might not align with your view of the person you are obsessed with.

lazyeye 2y ago

If only Elon was more like your average commenter on HN, just imagine what he could have achieved then....