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I think a simpler explanation is that terminally online people just don't like the politics of the CEO and like to take any chance to dunk on him. In a world t

by bko 2y ago

I think a simpler explanation is that terminally online people just don't like the politics of the CEO and like to take any chance to dunk on him. In a world that has been stagnant for decades in terms of design and doing things out the box, it's something at least trying to be different. Don't get all the hate

kalleboo 2y ago
Even car people who agree with the CEO's politics dunk on it - see WhistlinDiesel
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  That's not a car person.
  - nilleo 2y ago
    What's your definition of a car person? I don't care for the guy, but having multiple modified super cars and building several custom trucks in the past -- he seems like a car [truck] person to me?
    - throwaway48476 2y ago
      Someone like James May.
      - Der_Einzige 2y ago
        I prefer Sarah-n-tuned but something tells me that folks who want to purity test folks on if they are a “car person” or not will really dislike the idea of a trans female appearing person knowing more about cars than 99% of the “car people” of YouTube.
    - hbs18 2y ago
      He's a youtuber whose niche is outrage bait for engagement and views.
GaggiX 2y ago
Elon Musk made it too easy to dunk on him with the CyberTruck, similar to the last Tesla event, it was kinda hilarious how bad that was, even if you agree with his political ideas, I don't know how you would have a different opinion about it.
- bko 2y ago
  How bad it was? What planet are you on? It was incredibly ambitious and impressive. They made huge progress in just a few years on robots. Check out a Salesforce, apple or Google event where they flex about adding a heart rate monitor to their watch ir similarly banal improvement. Ill never understand the hate
  - addicted 2y ago
    What about it is either ambitious or progressive? They’ve not even met the goals they said they would meet 3 years ago.
    - mbrumlow 2y ago
      I hate this argument in business. A goal not some metric that has to be met. It’s a goal, an aspiration to do something, not a deadline. Most businesses ran by people who use goals as deadlines fail horridly. This is one thing many of the major companies that are ultra successful have in common. They are ran by people who set goals, failed to meet the goal - and continued to move forward.
      - thejazzman 2y ago
        Selling a product for money and then delivering the product without those features is fraud. The gymnastics this cult does is infuriating. The dude lies. Constantly. I own 3 teslas. I like the cars. Doesn't mean the CEO doesn't constantly lie and under deliver. It doesn't matter if the car cures cancer. It doesn't make his past lies become truths.
        2y ago
ryandrake 2y ago
People were dunking on the Cybertruck before Musk made that sharp turn into a political lightning rod around when COVID hit. I recall seeing discussion about how silly the car is, even during the height of his popularity.
- SanDiegoSun 2y ago
  People who are uninformed were trying to dunk. Dismissing its aerodynamics when it has a CD of .34; and decent efficiency per battery size. Ultimately ignorant terminally online people complain and dismiss what is the best selling ev truck. You can disagree, but you would be objectively wrong.
  - Fairburn 2y ago
    It is a truck in name only. Hardly usable as a truck
    - iknowstuff 2y ago
      nonsense. bed much larger than eg rivian r1t, decent range, fast charging, a fucking 240V outlet and 3 120v outlets, durable af exterior etc
    - harambae 2y ago
      Some of us need trucks purely to move dirtbikes and snowmobiles and it will do that. Add in the requirement of "electric" and there are cheaper options but none that are cheap that are also allowed to be sold in the USA (remains to be seen how much you can get away with temporarily moving a BYD Shark over the border from Mexico and never bringing it back)
      - turtle4 2y ago
        Does the ford f150 lightning not count for some reason?
lenkite 2y ago
Elon Musk should dump Trump, support Kamala, perma-ban the right-wing and whoever the White House wants from Twitter. Then his popularity on HN will increase by 100x and HN commenters will start loving the Cybertrucks and start (re)liking X.
- neurotypicalc 2y ago
  the reason he went with trump is because the dems sided with the legacy auto manufacturers who were trying to shove tesla under the rug and for woke and trans issues the Dems wouldnt give him support but it falls to be seen whether trump isn't just going to use him the same way since hes clearly hungry for oil
snapplebobapple 2y ago
It feels a lot like rotten tomatoes adience vs critic rating deviations. Here, just like there, the critic scores are irrelevant because they arent the buyer
mass_and_energy 2y ago
I think that no matter who makes an off-road vehicle that rusts when wet, people that are aware of that issue (there's many more, that's just the first one that comes to mind) are going to cast shade on the product.
dangus 2y ago
"Politics of the CEO" is both an understatement and a little bit of missing the point. If we put the Musk Twitter/Trump/right wing stuff aside, there's still a big problem with Tesla and Musk in general: poor build quality especially on new product launches, exaggerations and lies about product capability, pricing, and the upcoming product roadmap, and the cult-like following that places Tesla's somewhat mundane product achievements on a pedastel. For example, the idea that only Tesla is doing things out of the box, that they're the only ones who aren't stagnant...well, that's only true if you're in the cult and you ignore all the other carmakers. I don't think Kia/Hyundai's design is stagnant. I don't think the Chinese car industry is stagnant. I don't think the host of other EV startups like Rivian or Lucid are stagnant. The Cybertruck doesn't have any unique features that other carmakers aren't doing besides having stainless steel panels that are literally glued on to the unibody frame and can't be painted. Toyota, the most boring car company, has steer by wire (Lexus RZ). If you buy a Rivian you get better range and capability. The Cybertruck isn't even the best EV truck, never mind the best truck of any powertrain. And the final part of the Tesla hate is all the ways in which their "innovation" has been basically dangerous bullshit. Putting beta versions of self-driving code on the road, making a car with stainless steel panels that are not pedestrian safe, all their documented issues with plant safety and labor issues, removing physical controls for critical car functionality like gear shifting and turn signal stalks to generally deliver a car UI that encourages distracted driving more than perhaps any other brand. These types of things are the place where the "hate" becomes "justified outrage over corporate neglegence."

by bko 2y ago

kalleboo 2y ago

Even car people who agree with the CEO's politics dunk on it - see WhistlinDiesel

throwaway48476 2y ago
That's not a car person.
- nilleo 2y ago
  What's your definition of a car person? I don't care for the guy, but having multiple modified super cars and building several custom trucks in the past -- he seems like a car [truck] person to me?
  - throwaway48476 2y ago
    Someone like James May.
    - Der_Einzige 2y ago
      I prefer Sarah-n-tuned but something tells me that folks who want to purity test folks on if they are a “car person” or not will really dislike the idea of a trans female appearing person knowing more about cars than 99% of the “car people” of YouTube.
  - hbs18 2y ago
    He's a youtuber whose niche is outrage bait for engagement and views.

GaggiX 2y ago

Elon Musk made it too easy to dunk on him with the CyberTruck, similar to the last Tesla event, it was kinda hilarious how bad that was, even if you agree with his political ideas, I don't know how you would have a different opinion about it.

bko 2y ago
How bad it was? What planet are you on? It was incredibly ambitious and impressive. They made huge progress in just a few years on robots. Check out a Salesforce, apple or Google event where they flex about adding a heart rate monitor to their watch ir similarly banal improvement. Ill never understand the hate
- addicted 2y ago
  What about it is either ambitious or progressive? They’ve not even met the goals they said they would meet 3 years ago.
  - mbrumlow 2y ago
    I hate this argument in business. A goal not some metric that has to be met. It’s a goal, an aspiration to do something, not a deadline. Most businesses ran by people who use goals as deadlines fail horridly. This is one thing many of the major companies that are ultra successful have in common. They are ran by people who set goals, failed to meet the goal - and continued to move forward.
    - thejazzman 2y ago
      Selling a product for money and then delivering the product without those features is fraud. The gymnastics this cult does is infuriating. The dude lies. Constantly. I own 3 teslas. I like the cars. Doesn't mean the CEO doesn't constantly lie and under deliver. It doesn't matter if the car cures cancer. It doesn't make his past lies become truths.
      - 2y ago

ryandrake 2y ago

People were dunking on the Cybertruck before Musk made that sharp turn into a political lightning rod around when COVID hit. I recall seeing discussion about how silly the car is, even during the height of his popularity.

SanDiegoSun 2y ago
People who are uninformed were trying to dunk. Dismissing its aerodynamics when it has a CD of .34; and decent efficiency per battery size. Ultimately ignorant terminally online people complain and dismiss what is the best selling ev truck. You can disagree, but you would be objectively wrong.
- Fairburn 2y ago
  It is a truck in name only. Hardly usable as a truck
  - iknowstuff 2y ago
    nonsense. bed much larger than eg rivian r1t, decent range, fast charging, a fucking 240V outlet and 3 120v outlets, durable af exterior etc
  - harambae 2y ago
    Some of us need trucks purely to move dirtbikes and snowmobiles and it will do that. Add in the requirement of "electric" and there are cheaper options but none that are cheap that are also allowed to be sold in the USA (remains to be seen how much you can get away with temporarily moving a BYD Shark over the border from Mexico and never bringing it back)
    - turtle4 2y ago
      Does the ford f150 lightning not count for some reason?

lenkite 2y ago

Elon Musk should dump Trump, support Kamala, perma-ban the right-wing and whoever the White House wants from Twitter. Then his popularity on HN will increase by 100x and HN commenters will start loving the Cybertrucks and start (re)liking X.

neurotypicalc 2y ago
the reason he went with trump is because the dems sided with the legacy auto manufacturers who were trying to shove tesla under the rug and for woke and trans issues the Dems wouldnt give him support but it falls to be seen whether trump isn't just going to use him the same way since hes clearly hungry for oil

snapplebobapple 2y ago

It feels a lot like rotten tomatoes adience vs critic rating deviations. Here, just like there, the critic scores are irrelevant because they arent the buyer

mass_and_energy 2y ago

I think that no matter who makes an off-road vehicle that rusts when wet, people that are aware of that issue (there's many more, that's just the first one that comes to mind) are going to cast shade on the product.

dangus 2y ago

"Politics of the CEO" is both an understatement and a little bit of missing the point. If we put the Musk Twitter/Trump/right wing stuff aside, there's still a big problem with Tesla and Musk in general: poor build quality especially on new product launches, exaggerations and lies about product capability, pricing, and the upcoming product roadmap, and the cult-like following that places Tesla's somewhat mundane product achievements on a pedastel. For example, the idea that only Tesla is doing things out of the box, that they're the only ones who aren't stagnant...well, that's only true if you're in the cult and you ignore all the other carmakers. I don't think Kia/Hyundai's design is stagnant. I don't think the Chinese car industry is stagnant. I don't think the host of other EV startups like Rivian or Lucid are stagnant. The Cybertruck doesn't have any unique features that other carmakers aren't doing besides having stainless steel panels that are literally glued on to the unibody frame and can't be painted. Toyota, the most boring car company, has steer by wire (Lexus RZ). If you buy a Rivian you get better range and capability. The Cybertruck isn't even the best EV truck, never mind the best truck of any powertrain. And the final part of the Tesla hate is all the ways in which their "innovation" has been basically dangerous bullshit. Putting beta versions of self-driving code on the road, making a car with stainless steel panels that are not pedestrian safe, all their documented issues with plant safety and labor issues, removing physical controls for critical car functionality like gear shifting and turn signal stalks to generally deliver a car UI that encourages distracted driving more than perhaps any other brand. These types of things are the place where the "hate" becomes "justified outrage over corporate neglegence."