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Others point out that no commonly used psychadelic is physically addictive. But also, the cost of prohibition dramatically outweighs the benefits. It creates pr
by advael 2y ago
Others point out that no commonly used psychadelic is physically addictive. But also, the cost of prohibition dramatically outweighs the benefits. It creates pretenses for police corruption and militarization. It creates massive cartels in drugs, both criminal and "legal" (or at least low-liability for the cartel kingpins like the Sackler family), with perverse incentives all the way down. It destroys the trust between doctors and their patients by forcing doctors to serve as agents of the state when exercising the nonsensical authority to determine what substances adults can try for their ailments even with full informed consent. It destroys families and neighborhoods for "crimes" that amount to punishing self-harm with unconscionable cruelty - in effect kicking addicts while they're down. It also does not solve in any meaningful sense the problem of drug addiction. It's catastrophically bad policy that has no place in a free society
- next_xibalba 2y ago[flagged]
- seadan83 2y agoObviously untrue? Washington states cannabis black market is destroyed and the benefits are manifold. The judicial system no longer deals with petty possession charges, and the selective enforcement of cannabis possession laws is a thing of the past.
- next_xibalba 2y agoMore intellectual dishonesty. My comment was about marijuana addiction. You chose to ignore that and address other claims.
- seadan83 2y agoAh, I realize now that out of 12 some sentences, you were responding to exactly just the first. The more salient, interesting and more important points I thought were the last 11 some sentences Yes, physcadelics and marijuana have different habit formation characteristics. Since nobody is talking about marijuana here, and it is a totally different chemical compound - I assumed you were not just giving a what-about'ism response. How about nicotine addiction? Opioids, sex, gambling, sugar, alcohol? The habit formation characteristics are different and seemingly irrelevant. What was your point to smuggle in that marijuana sometimes has its habit forming characteristics downplayed? Do you have any evidence for habit formation properties of physcedlics? There is evidence for marijuana addiction that I am aware of: studies, surveys, treatment center numbers. The chemical compounds are completely different though. Why therefore are we now talking about cannabis addiction?
- thegrim33 2y agoI'm curious how you would explain the countries that have extremely strict and harsh drug laws, and yet have not had all of the "dramatic downsides" that you say would result of such a policy? They're actual real-world data points that conflict with your theory.
- advael 2y agoNo country has a carceral state quite like the US, but the quality of life difference between drugs in a given state that are legal and ones that aren't is stark. I've experienced this by traveling places with restrictive but different drug regimes. Stuff on a drug schedule your best case is get a doctor to prescribe it and in the US overpay for it severely because this chokepoint is the only place that can legally sell. Compare to buying any OTC drug, and the difference is obvious. There is no ID process, there is competition to provide better quality at a lower price. There is no way you can fuck up and get yourself or someone else arrested for having drugs you/they're not supposed to. And every illegal drug is still available somewhere, it's just worse and more dangerous
- kelnos 2y agoHaving strict and harsh drug laws is a dramatic downside. The state murdering someone because they were carrying around a plant is the antithesis of justice.