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What would you do?

sanotehu 2y ago
Syncthing to sync the grocery list to your phone whenever it is on the home WiFi. Any changes will be updated when you next get back home. I use this with obsidian and it's a game changer, removing need for the cloud
- lucb1e 2y ago
  > Any changes will be updated when you next get back home [...] removing need for the cloud More than one person can be in the grocery store. Syncing a file does not work because you overwrite each other's changes; this is what we started with but this is why I made (what I call) multiplayer groceries in the first place And note that I also don't need a "cloud"; it's hosted on my own system rather than someone else's
  - 0points 2y ago
    Even Home Assistant have a shopping list built in by now.
andyjohnson0 2y ago
Email in the drafts folder on my phone
downut 2y ago
We keep a postit list next to the breadmaker and write stuff down when we need to get something. Then when it is time to go shopping, we simply peel off the list and away we go. I am getting disgusted by people who need to have that screen in their hand, all waking hours.
- throwaway19972 2y ago
  I won't go so far as to say I'm disgusted by what others do, but I am increasingly resenting having to use my phone for myriad tasks that shouldn't require a phone in the first place. Like unlocking my apartment door. It's obviously so that someone can get a recurring cut where they would have once provided a one-time semi-permanent solution (like a key, or a notepad). I mean, maybe some of this will be blunted over time as open source slowly eats away at these utilities, but until then I view my phone like a grenade, or a drug, or a slot machine, or a money-eater.
  - easton 2y ago
    My apartment recently moved over to “smart locks” and I immediately noped out (app is slow), choosing to memorize the codes instead. This was clearly an afterthought since about 40% of the time touches are missed when using the keypads. Why anyone wanted to unlock their door with their phone instead of tapping a fob, I’m not sure, but the only interesting feature (temp access for friends) doesn’t seem worth it.
    - allannienhuis 2y ago
      "Why anyone wanted to unlock their door with their phone instead of tapping a fob, " I would want to do it with my phone because then I only have to have one thing to carry around with me. I haven't carried a key ring in years. I don't even carry a wallet these days. It's really quite useful. Way fewer trips back to fetch the keys/wallet, etc.
      - easton 2y ago
        Maybe, but if you really don’t want to carry stuff around then it’s optimal to just type the code in (…which is why it makes zero sense that the keypads suck. except that they were being cheap.)
        allannienhuis 2y ago
        Then what I'm carrying around is a bunch of codes in my head which is its own form of baggage, or I re-use the codes and that comes with the same risks as reusing passwords has. Using the phone for everything has risks too, but I think not much differently than a password manager does, and most phones I've used have a reasonable device recovery process (not that I've had to use them or have expertise in that area...). Carrying a single thing (which has a bunch of other uses than just access control) doesn't feel like a burden to me. That said, I don't disagree at all that the typical keypad for access control on everything pretty much sucks. My front door has like 4 buttons only and does the telephone keyboard thing of using the same button for multiple 'numbers' in your code. Time to jump on amazon to look for a decent front door lock that works with my phone :)
- lucb1e 2y ago
  My apologies that using available technology to improve upon suboptimal solutions disgusts you. In case it helps to know why "that screen" improves upon paper in the first place: - I'm not always home when I decide to want to buy something, so then I couldn't write it on that paper - We go shopping together most of the time. That screen lets you check items off and sync that to the other person's that screen. Alternatively, there is a mode where it gives each participant a subset of the items so you don't get duplicate things - That screen can give you the list in the right order if you just tell the app one time what layout a store has (e.g. first the bread and breakfast things, then the cooling section, then the freezer section.. those sorts of categories) - That screen can also work with a map function where it does a traveling salesperson problem to find a good path to walk down to get each item, but this requires entering the location of everything rather than just having everything broadly categorized - That screen suggests things you frequently buy, so it's one tap for what you commonly need - That screen can temporarily hide items you are going to get in the next store, so you can glance and see that the list is clear and you're good to go check out and then unhide the things when you enter the next store - That screen can automatically add items from recipes you've added - You have that screen anyway. The pen and paper, on the other hand, are consumables We could forego all these benefits for, eh, not being "glued", whatever the advantage in that is. It's not like I'm getting distracted by notifications in the store if that's what you're worried about
  - downut 2y ago
    "suboptimal" => optimal I'm getting the distinct impression that handwriting human language may be beyond the basic capabilities of the Modern Human. Seems to be memory and basic cognitive difficulties such as "sorting" whatever that means when actually buying the stuff in the store. I've been buying stuff in stores constantly for 50 years and I'm very fast, without aid. But boy howdy these devices sound like just the tool for people with actual cognitive difficulties; we should make definitely sure that they have them. Might be a problem though on the data entry side. edit: improve accuracy
radlad 2y ago
Progressive app using local storage?
pcl 2y ago
I’d use tailscale or WireGuard for remote access, for starters.
- lucb1e 2y ago
  That's... the situation as described in the post which the comment above you was responding to? > The only downside is that internet connectivity being down means, e.g., you need to remember to load the grocery list before leaving the house that has the server in it Wireguard or Tailscale Inc. are not magically going to resolve that situation. Does Tailscale even work locally if your internet is down or does it require their cloud for NAT punching regardless of whether you're on the server's LAN? For starters
hhh 2y ago
open apple notes and type in my grocery list and go blissfully about my day
- lucb1e 2y ago
  That works great and is exactly what I did... when I was alone

What would you do?

Syncthing to sync the grocery list to your phone whenever it is on the home WiFi. Any changes will be updated when you next get back home. I use this with obsidian and it's a game changer, removing need for the cloud

lucb1e 2y ago
> Any changes will be updated when you next get back home [...] removing need for the cloud More than one person can be in the grocery store. Syncing a file does not work because you overwrite each other's changes; this is what we started with but this is why I made (what I call) multiplayer groceries in the first place And note that I also don't need a "cloud"; it's hosted on my own system rather than someone else's
- 0points 2y ago
  Even Home Assistant have a shopping list built in by now.

andyjohnson0 2y ago

Email in the drafts folder on my phone

downut 2y ago

We keep a postit list next to the breadmaker and write stuff down when we need to get something. Then when it is time to go shopping, we simply peel off the list and away we go. I am getting disgusted by people who need to have that screen in their hand, all waking hours.

throwaway19972 2y ago
I won't go so far as to say I'm disgusted by what others do, but I am increasingly resenting having to use my phone for myriad tasks that shouldn't require a phone in the first place. Like unlocking my apartment door. It's obviously so that someone can get a recurring cut where they would have once provided a one-time semi-permanent solution (like a key, or a notepad). I mean, maybe some of this will be blunted over time as open source slowly eats away at these utilities, but until then I view my phone like a grenade, or a drug, or a slot machine, or a money-eater.
- easton 2y ago
  My apartment recently moved over to “smart locks” and I immediately noped out (app is slow), choosing to memorize the codes instead. This was clearly an afterthought since about 40% of the time touches are missed when using the keypads. Why anyone wanted to unlock their door with their phone instead of tapping a fob, I’m not sure, but the only interesting feature (temp access for friends) doesn’t seem worth it.
  - allannienhuis 2y ago
    "Why anyone wanted to unlock their door with their phone instead of tapping a fob, " I would want to do it with my phone because then I only have to have one thing to carry around with me. I haven't carried a key ring in years. I don't even carry a wallet these days. It's really quite useful. Way fewer trips back to fetch the keys/wallet, etc.
    - easton 2y ago
      Maybe, but if you really don’t want to carry stuff around then it’s optimal to just type the code in (…which is why it makes zero sense that the keypads suck. except that they were being cheap.)
      - allannienhuis 2y ago
        Then what I'm carrying around is a bunch of codes in my head which is its own form of baggage, or I re-use the codes and that comes with the same risks as reusing passwords has. Using the phone for everything has risks too, but I think not much differently than a password manager does, and most phones I've used have a reasonable device recovery process (not that I've had to use them or have expertise in that area...). Carrying a single thing (which has a bunch of other uses than just access control) doesn't feel like a burden to me. That said, I don't disagree at all that the typical keypad for access control on everything pretty much sucks. My front door has like 4 buttons only and does the telephone keyboard thing of using the same button for multiple 'numbers' in your code. Time to jump on amazon to look for a decent front door lock that works with my phone :)
lucb1e 2y ago
My apologies that using available technology to improve upon suboptimal solutions disgusts you. In case it helps to know why "that screen" improves upon paper in the first place: - I'm not always home when I decide to want to buy something, so then I couldn't write it on that paper - We go shopping together most of the time. That screen lets you check items off and sync that to the other person's that screen. Alternatively, there is a mode where it gives each participant a subset of the items so you don't get duplicate things - That screen can give you the list in the right order if you just tell the app one time what layout a store has (e.g. first the bread and breakfast things, then the cooling section, then the freezer section.. those sorts of categories) - That screen can also work with a map function where it does a traveling salesperson problem to find a good path to walk down to get each item, but this requires entering the location of everything rather than just having everything broadly categorized - That screen suggests things you frequently buy, so it's one tap for what you commonly need - That screen can temporarily hide items you are going to get in the next store, so you can glance and see that the list is clear and you're good to go check out and then unhide the things when you enter the next store - That screen can automatically add items from recipes you've added - You have that screen anyway. The pen and paper, on the other hand, are consumables We could forego all these benefits for, eh, not being "glued", whatever the advantage in that is. It's not like I'm getting distracted by notifications in the store if that's what you're worried about
- downut 2y ago
  "suboptimal" => optimal I'm getting the distinct impression that handwriting human language may be beyond the basic capabilities of the Modern Human. Seems to be memory and basic cognitive difficulties such as "sorting" whatever that means when actually buying the stuff in the store. I've been buying stuff in stores constantly for 50 years and I'm very fast, without aid. But boy howdy these devices sound like just the tool for people with actual cognitive difficulties; we should make definitely sure that they have them. Might be a problem though on the data entry side. edit: improve accuracy

radlad 2y ago

Progressive app using local storage?

pcl 2y ago

I’d use tailscale or WireGuard for remote access, for starters.

lucb1e 2y ago
That's... the situation as described in the post which the comment above you was responding to? > The only downside is that internet connectivity being down means, e.g., you need to remember to load the grocery list before leaving the house that has the server in it Wireguard or Tailscale Inc. are not magically going to resolve that situation. Does Tailscale even work locally if your internet is down or does it require their cloud for NAT punching regardless of whether you're on the server's LAN? For starters

hhh 2y ago

open apple notes and type in my grocery list and go blissfully about my day

lucb1e 2y ago
That works great and is exactly what I did... when I was alone