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Mastodon works great in the present.

by guerrilla 2y ago

openrisk 2y ago
Not for the 99.99% of people. Maybe you should raise the bar when defining "it works great".
- krapp 2y ago
  99.99% of what people? Every time Elon does something particularly stupid with Twitter, Mastodon takes on another wave of new accounts. It seems to be doing fine.
  - baegi 2y ago
    Eh, I don't see "better than Elon's burning pile of garbage" as the greatest endorsement.
  - openrisk 2y ago
    fediverse (active) user growth is saturating at minuscule numbers https://fedidb.org/ https://fedidb.org/ in the meantime for much of the planet the "internet" means Meta properties. if you don't ask tough questions you will "keep doing fine" and nothing will change
    - izacus 2y ago
      1 million MAU is nowhere near "miniscule".
      - Klonoar 2y ago
        No, it is - when you compare it to the incumbent properties it’s trying to replace.
        krapp 2y ago
        Mastodon isn't trying to replace any incumbent properties. The concept doesn't even make sense for a federated network. Not everything is a zero sum game of capitalist growth and competition, and there are valid definitions of success which do not require Mastodon completely subsume Twitter. I think it's OK to simply be an alternative.
    - evoke4908 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - openrisk 2y ago
        You seem to have missed the point that the OP is about a newly launched fediverse TikTok competitor [1], not Mastodon. I am not sure the people building Loops want it to be "small and unpopular". You are also confusing server size with the overall adoption of these platforms. I am trying to tell you that the broader movement for (re)decentralization is stalling and that is (in part) because it too closely emulates the successes of centralized adtech media. [1] https://loops.video/ https://loops.video/
  - openrisk 2y ago
    > Elon does something particularly stupid with Twitter, Mastodon takes on another wave of new accounts It seems that Bluesky has a different opinion on who actually benefits from the Twitter implosion, at least the last episode https://techcrunch.com/2024/09/16/bluesky-now-has-10-million-users/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/09/16/bluesky-now-has-10-million... And at least one Mastodon user seems to be very anxious about it: https://masto.es/@pablogilah/113064426425857890 https://masto.es/@pablogilah/113064426425857890 But my point is not about protocol wars or disputing that fediverse platforms are "good enough" for a small number of niche users, predominantly techies. The challenge is to take the fediverse mainstream. When somebody is building a "Tiktok competitor" this is clearly what they have in mind.
    - krapp 2y ago
      "niche" and "mainstream" are moving targets, but from what I've observed, plenty of non-techie people are already on the fediverse. Even if you don't consider that mainstream, adoption is clearly moving in that direction. And even if the fediverse never becomes "mainstream" (centralization may simply always be the most popular model because of lower friction and convenience) that's still OK. I liken the Fediverse to the old internet, where you had personal sites and blogs and forums. Many of those never had millions of views or millions of users and they did fine. The draw of the Fediverse is opting out of the commercial surveillance and exploitation driven web ecosystem and every "x for fediverse" alternative makes it look more attractive.
- guerrilla 2y ago
  It does what it's supposed to do. People can choose to use the tool, or bathe in propaganda and hatred on Twitter. That's up to them.
  - cmxch 2y ago
    > propaganda and hatred and Mastodon/Bluesky don’t have their own flavors of each, except in a form that prevents any contrary (or factual) word from piercing the filter bubble?
    - zappb 2y ago
      [flagged]
  - Kiro 2y ago
    The only time I see a post on Mastodon it's always some angry and hateful rant. It seems extremely toxic.
  - xigoi 2y ago
    You forgot the best choice: neither.

Mastodon works great in the present.

openrisk 2y ago

Not for the 99.99% of people. Maybe you should raise the bar when defining "it works great".

krapp 2y ago
99.99% of what people? Every time Elon does something particularly stupid with Twitter, Mastodon takes on another wave of new accounts. It seems to be doing fine.
- baegi 2y ago
  Eh, I don't see "better than Elon's burning pile of garbage" as the greatest endorsement.
- openrisk 2y ago
  fediverse (active) user growth is saturating at minuscule numbers https://fedidb.org/ https://fedidb.org/ in the meantime for much of the planet the "internet" means Meta properties. if you don't ask tough questions you will "keep doing fine" and nothing will change
  - izacus 2y ago
    1 million MAU is nowhere near "miniscule".
    - Klonoar 2y ago
      No, it is - when you compare it to the incumbent properties it’s trying to replace.
      - krapp 2y ago
        Mastodon isn't trying to replace any incumbent properties. The concept doesn't even make sense for a federated network. Not everything is a zero sum game of capitalist growth and competition, and there are valid definitions of success which do not require Mastodon completely subsume Twitter. I think it's OK to simply be an alternative.
  - evoke4908 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - openrisk 2y ago
      You seem to have missed the point that the OP is about a newly launched fediverse TikTok competitor [1], not Mastodon. I am not sure the people building Loops want it to be "small and unpopular". You are also confusing server size with the overall adoption of these platforms. I am trying to tell you that the broader movement for (re)decentralization is stalling and that is (in part) because it too closely emulates the successes of centralized adtech media. [1] https://loops.video/ https://loops.video/
- openrisk 2y ago
  > Elon does something particularly stupid with Twitter, Mastodon takes on another wave of new accounts It seems that Bluesky has a different opinion on who actually benefits from the Twitter implosion, at least the last episode https://techcrunch.com/2024/09/16/bluesky-now-has-10-million-users/ https://techcrunch.com/2024/09/16/bluesky-now-has-10-million... And at least one Mastodon user seems to be very anxious about it: https://masto.es/@pablogilah/113064426425857890 https://masto.es/@pablogilah/113064426425857890 But my point is not about protocol wars or disputing that fediverse platforms are "good enough" for a small number of niche users, predominantly techies. The challenge is to take the fediverse mainstream. When somebody is building a "Tiktok competitor" this is clearly what they have in mind.
  - krapp 2y ago
    "niche" and "mainstream" are moving targets, but from what I've observed, plenty of non-techie people are already on the fediverse. Even if you don't consider that mainstream, adoption is clearly moving in that direction. And even if the fediverse never becomes "mainstream" (centralization may simply always be the most popular model because of lower friction and convenience) that's still OK. I liken the Fediverse to the old internet, where you had personal sites and blogs and forums. Many of those never had millions of views or millions of users and they did fine. The draw of the Fediverse is opting out of the commercial surveillance and exploitation driven web ecosystem and every "x for fediverse" alternative makes it look more attractive.
guerrilla 2y ago
It does what it's supposed to do. People can choose to use the tool, or bathe in propaganda and hatred on Twitter. That's up to them.
- cmxch 2y ago
  > propaganda and hatred and Mastodon/Bluesky don’t have their own flavors of each, except in a form that prevents any contrary (or factual) word from piercing the filter bubble?
  - zappb 2y ago
    [flagged]
- Kiro 2y ago
  The only time I see a post on Mastodon it's always some angry and hateful rant. It seems extremely toxic.
- xigoi 2y ago
  You forgot the best choice: neither.