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It fascinates me how someone like you manage to build all these tooling to run your house, but still struggle with > need to remember to load the grocery list

It fascinates me how someone like you manage to build all these tooling to run your house, but still struggle with > need to remember to load the grocery list before leaving the house that has the server in it ^ remote access and > better hope your phone doesn't decide for you that the page needs to be unloaded on the way ^ unreliable tech

medstrom 2y ago
What would you do?
- sanotehu 2y ago
  Syncthing to sync the grocery list to your phone whenever it is on the home WiFi. Any changes will be updated when you next get back home. I use this with obsidian and it's a game changer, removing need for the cloud
  - lucb1e 2y ago
    > Any changes will be updated when you next get back home [...] removing need for the cloud More than one person can be in the grocery store. Syncing a file does not work because you overwrite each other's changes; this is what we started with but this is why I made (what I call) multiplayer groceries in the first place And note that I also don't need a "cloud"; it's hosted on my own system rather than someone else's
    - 0points 2y ago
      Even Home Assistant have a shopping list built in by now.
- andyjohnson0 2y ago
  Email in the drafts folder on my phone
- downut 2y ago
  We keep a postit list next to the breadmaker and write stuff down when we need to get something. Then when it is time to go shopping, we simply peel off the list and away we go. I am getting disgusted by people who need to have that screen in their hand, all waking hours.
  - throwaway19972 2y ago
    I won't go so far as to say I'm disgusted by what others do, but I am increasingly resenting having to use my phone for myriad tasks that shouldn't require a phone in the first place. Like unlocking my apartment door. It's obviously so that someone can get a recurring cut where they would have once provided a one-time semi-permanent solution (like a key, or a notepad). I mean, maybe some of this will be blunted over time as open source slowly eats away at these utilities, but until then I view my phone like a grenade, or a drug, or a slot machine, or a money-eater.
    - easton 2y ago
      My apartment recently moved over to “smart locks” and I immediately noped out (app is slow), choosing to memorize the codes instead. This was clearly an afterthought since about 40% of the time touches are missed when using the keypads. Why anyone wanted to unlock their door with their phone instead of tapping a fob, I’m not sure, but the only interesting feature (temp access for friends) doesn’t seem worth it.
      - allannienhuis 2y ago
        "Why anyone wanted to unlock their door with their phone instead of tapping a fob, " I would want to do it with my phone because then I only have to have one thing to carry around with me. I haven't carried a key ring in years. I don't even carry a wallet these days. It's really quite useful. Way fewer trips back to fetch the keys/wallet, etc.
        easton 2y ago
        Maybe, but if you really don’t want to carry stuff around then it’s optimal to just type the code in (…which is why it makes zero sense that the keypads suck. except that they were being cheap.)
- radlad 2y ago
  Progressive app using local storage?
- pcl 2y ago
  I’d use tailscale or WireGuard for remote access, for starters.
  - lucb1e 2y ago
    That's... the situation as described in the post which the comment above you was responding to? > The only downside is that internet connectivity being down means, e.g., you need to remember to load the grocery list before leaving the house that has the server in it Wireguard or Tailscale Inc. are not magically going to resolve that situation. Does Tailscale even work locally if your internet is down or does it require their cloud for NAT punching regardless of whether you're on the server's LAN? For starters
- hhh 2y ago
  open apple notes and type in my grocery list and go blissfully about my day
  - lucb1e 2y ago
    That works great and is exactly what I did... when I was alone
lucb1e 2y ago
Phones being unreliable and making data-tossing decisions without your involvement is indeed the complaint I meant to share. It has been a pet peeve about Android since day one and it has only gotten worse (websites like dontkillmyapp come to mind); would hope that being aware of the downsides helps us fix or reliably work around the issue one day I don't understand the first point though, do you mean I should set up remote access? Because that's definitely there, it's just that if the uplink is down on the ISP's side or whatever, then you can't access the system outside the house. Or if I were to host it outside the house, then you just shift the SPOF to a different location. What are you suggesting or pointing out exactly?
- 0points 2y ago
  > What are you suggesting or pointing out exactly? Exactly what I wrote above. You hadn't shared your setup by then tho, which you now have. So I don't know what to tell you. Re-read what you replied to and then you might not need to formulate such empty questions.

medstrom 2y ago

What would you do?

sanotehu 2y ago
Syncthing to sync the grocery list to your phone whenever it is on the home WiFi. Any changes will be updated when you next get back home. I use this with obsidian and it's a game changer, removing need for the cloud
- lucb1e 2y ago
  > Any changes will be updated when you next get back home [...] removing need for the cloud More than one person can be in the grocery store. Syncing a file does not work because you overwrite each other's changes; this is what we started with but this is why I made (what I call) multiplayer groceries in the first place And note that I also don't need a "cloud"; it's hosted on my own system rather than someone else's
  - 0points 2y ago
    Even Home Assistant have a shopping list built in by now.
andyjohnson0 2y ago
Email in the drafts folder on my phone
downut 2y ago
We keep a postit list next to the breadmaker and write stuff down when we need to get something. Then when it is time to go shopping, we simply peel off the list and away we go. I am getting disgusted by people who need to have that screen in their hand, all waking hours.
- throwaway19972 2y ago
  I won't go so far as to say I'm disgusted by what others do, but I am increasingly resenting having to use my phone for myriad tasks that shouldn't require a phone in the first place. Like unlocking my apartment door. It's obviously so that someone can get a recurring cut where they would have once provided a one-time semi-permanent solution (like a key, or a notepad). I mean, maybe some of this will be blunted over time as open source slowly eats away at these utilities, but until then I view my phone like a grenade, or a drug, or a slot machine, or a money-eater.
  - easton 2y ago
    My apartment recently moved over to “smart locks” and I immediately noped out (app is slow), choosing to memorize the codes instead. This was clearly an afterthought since about 40% of the time touches are missed when using the keypads. Why anyone wanted to unlock their door with their phone instead of tapping a fob, I’m not sure, but the only interesting feature (temp access for friends) doesn’t seem worth it.
    - allannienhuis 2y ago
      "Why anyone wanted to unlock their door with their phone instead of tapping a fob, " I would want to do it with my phone because then I only have to have one thing to carry around with me. I haven't carried a key ring in years. I don't even carry a wallet these days. It's really quite useful. Way fewer trips back to fetch the keys/wallet, etc.
      - easton 2y ago
        Maybe, but if you really don’t want to carry stuff around then it’s optimal to just type the code in (…which is why it makes zero sense that the keypads suck. except that they were being cheap.)
radlad 2y ago
Progressive app using local storage?
pcl 2y ago
I’d use tailscale or WireGuard for remote access, for starters.
- lucb1e 2y ago
  That's... the situation as described in the post which the comment above you was responding to? > The only downside is that internet connectivity being down means, e.g., you need to remember to load the grocery list before leaving the house that has the server in it Wireguard or Tailscale Inc. are not magically going to resolve that situation. Does Tailscale even work locally if your internet is down or does it require their cloud for NAT punching regardless of whether you're on the server's LAN? For starters
hhh 2y ago
open apple notes and type in my grocery list and go blissfully about my day
- lucb1e 2y ago
  That works great and is exactly what I did... when I was alone

lucb1e 2y ago

Phones being unreliable and making data-tossing decisions without your involvement is indeed the complaint I meant to share. It has been a pet peeve about Android since day one and it has only gotten worse (websites like dontkillmyapp come to mind); would hope that being aware of the downsides helps us fix or reliably work around the issue one day I don't understand the first point though, do you mean I should set up remote access? Because that's definitely there, it's just that if the uplink is down on the ISP's side or whatever, then you can't access the system outside the house. Or if I were to host it outside the house, then you just shift the SPOF to a different location. What are you suggesting or pointing out exactly?

0points 2y ago
> What are you suggesting or pointing out exactly? Exactly what I wrote above. You hadn't shared your setup by then tho, which you now have. So I don't know what to tell you. Re-read what you replied to and then you might not need to formulate such empty questions.