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> They need a legal basis and they are required to cite that: What is the bar for a legal basis? In practice it seems equivalent to the way cops claim to smell

> They need a legal basis and they are required to cite that: What is the bar for a legal basis? In practice it seems equivalent to the way cops claim to smell weed as grounds for a search. > In my experience and by my reading of performance stats US Border force are far more intrusive and over bearing than Australian Border forces. Anecdotes will be anecdotes, but I flew in and out of the US for years before becoming a citizen and never had issues. Honestly I found UK immigration to be the rudest and most intrusive but that was just my experience. Also stats don't mean much since IIRC Australia stopped recording or at least making public the number of devices they search.

defrost 2y ago
> What is the bar for a legal basis? See link. > In practice it seems equivalent to the way cops claim ... How many times have you been asked to hand your phone over exactly? In any case, you're free to challenge, etc. See link. > Anecdotes will be anecdotes, but I flew in and out of the US for years before becoming a citizen and never had issues. Like most people then. Whether crossing US or Australian borders. > I found UK immigration to be So Australia's not the worst "anglo country" then? > since IIRC Australia stopped recording or at least making public Do you recall correctly? Did Australia stop? Are there Australians that have access to raw stats on health, border incidents, etc?
- ruthmarx 2y ago
  > See link. A blog article from a law firm isn't a great source here, especially when contrasted with the numerous accounts of people that have been forced to unlock their devices without legal basis. > In any case, you're free to challenge, etc. See link. Not if a 'legal basis' is claimed. > Like most people then. Whether crossing US or Australian borders. Yup. > So Australia's not the worst "anglo country" then? Is the term anglosphere such an unfamiliar term you had to put anglo country in quotes? Australia is the worst country when it comes to searching devices without justification, objectively going by laws and user experiences. The UK is the worst country for being treated with a lack of respect and being asked intrusive questions in my experience. > Do you recall correctly? Did Australia stop? You're being overly defensive, lad. Maybe put your patriotism/tribalism aside while having this discussion? I read a few articles recently that said Australia had stopped recorded, so yes, fairly certain I am recalling correctly but not about to go and look it up either.

defrost 2y ago

> What is the bar for a legal basis? See link. > In practice it seems equivalent to the way cops claim ... How many times have you been asked to hand your phone over exactly? In any case, you're free to challenge, etc. See link. > Anecdotes will be anecdotes, but I flew in and out of the US for years before becoming a citizen and never had issues. Like most people then. Whether crossing US or Australian borders. > I found UK immigration to be So Australia's not the worst "anglo country" then? > since IIRC Australia stopped recording or at least making public Do you recall correctly? Did Australia stop? Are there Australians that have access to raw stats on health, border incidents, etc?

ruthmarx 2y ago
> See link. A blog article from a law firm isn't a great source here, especially when contrasted with the numerous accounts of people that have been forced to unlock their devices without legal basis. > In any case, you're free to challenge, etc. See link. Not if a 'legal basis' is claimed. > Like most people then. Whether crossing US or Australian borders. Yup. > So Australia's not the worst "anglo country" then? Is the term anglosphere such an unfamiliar term you had to put anglo country in quotes? Australia is the worst country when it comes to searching devices without justification, objectively going by laws and user experiences. The UK is the worst country for being treated with a lack of respect and being asked intrusive questions in my experience. > Do you recall correctly? Did Australia stop? You're being overly defensive, lad. Maybe put your patriotism/tribalism aside while having this discussion? I read a few articles recently that said Australia had stopped recorded, so yes, fairly certain I am recalling correctly but not about to go and look it up either.