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That's a bit hyperbolic though, don't you think? It's pretty unreasonable to compare one relatively minor disability to an extreme physical one that inhibits b

by Teever 2y ago

That's a bit hyperbolic though, don't you think? It's pretty unreasonable to compare one relatively minor disability to an extreme physical one that inhibits basic things like brushing your teeth or going to the bathroom. ADHD doesn't stop you from doing those basic things does it? For many people with ADHD it doesn't make things impossible, just much more difficult. I think the point that the person you're trying to make is that too many people with an ADHD diagnosis think that being public with that diagnosis gives them a free pass to not over come the difficulties they face.

jon_richards 2y ago
Funny you chose that example… https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17587293/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17587293/
- Teever 2y ago
  Now show me the statistics on quadrapeligics brushing their teeth.
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  - hluska 2y ago
    You used very poor examples and that’s okay. You don’t have to be perfect - it’s totally acceptable to wade into a conversation, realize you really weren’t qualified and back out. You don’t have to resort to this level of aggressive debate.
falcolas 2y ago
> ADHD doesn't stop you from doing those basic things does it? Ironic that you picked those two - it absolutely does. ADHD (and autism) have trouble forming habits - remembering to brush your teeth is something that's a real problem for most folks who have ADHD. Not to mention showering, deodorant, etc. As for the bathroom, most ADHD people will hyperfocus to the point where they either don't notice they have to use the bathroom, sometimes for an entire work day at a time. Constipation and minor incontinence are not as uncommon as we wish. > For many people with ADHD it doesn't make things impossible, just much more difficult. Imagine you have a set of spoons with which to do work. For a NT, doing something like brushing your teeth is a habit, so it doesn't take a spoon. For a ND, the habit fails to form, so they have to exert mental energy to do it. Two spoons. Keep this up for an entire day, and by the time you have to cook dinner, ND just don't eat because they've been out of spoons since mid-day. The NT cooks dinner and has a few spoons left over to work on their hobby. Difficult might as well be impossible when you're out of energy. Or spoons. EDIT: Wow. This blew up. I wouldn't mind chatting more about it.
- Teever 2y ago
  I don't need to imagine because I too have ADHD. While I'm not also a quadrapeligic I feel confident that ADHD in general and quadrapelgia are not comparable. I acknowledge that there are varying levels of severity of ADHD but very few of the instances of ADHD are comparable to such a profound disability as quadrapelgia.
  - ok_dad 2y ago
    You don’t compare disabilities, none are worse or lesser than others, it’s simply a disability. Anyone, even those with disabilities, who try and argue one type is worse off than another type are simply being ableist by trying to minimize or marginalize that person’s struggles.
    - Teever 2y ago
      Really? You don't think that there are objective and measurable differences in disabilities? Let's take plegia for example -- all other things being equal which is worse being monoplegic, paraplegic, triplegic, or quadriplegic? Not recognizing objective differences in quality of life associated with varying disabilities does a disservice to those people with extreme disabilities and minimizes and marginalizes their struggles.
      - ok_dad 2y ago
        You’ve taken the opposite of what I said. Everyone’s disability is a struggle. Everyone’s life is a struggle. We help each other to navigate life and don’t compare. Answer this: what’s the end goal of comparing disabilities? I’d argue it’s simply to minimize the “easier” ones. Every struggle is hard for the disabled, bar none. There is no logical reason to compare other than to minimize someone’s struggle, so just avoid doing that. Instead, try and figure out how you can help those around you who struggle, disabled or not.
        Teever 2y ago
        There are objective differences in disabilities and the suffering of the people afflicted with them. If someone does not recognize that the hardship of losing a pinky finger is not nearly the same as losing an arm, or as the experience of a quadriplegic, they are not making valid assessments of reality and they are not able to provide any help to those people. I say this as a person who has ADHD and have worked with profoundly disabled people many times in my life.
hluska 2y ago
I’m sorry bud, but I really don’t think you understand the topic. The idea is that people with different types of disabilities deserve an appropriate level of accommodation. It’s not a race or any kind of rivalry, or even a competition. It’s about being a decent human being who can think critically.
- n8cpdx 2y ago
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  - falcolas 2y ago
    > Take your pills and put a bit of effort in and you’ll be fine. Absolutely, categorically wrong. There's plenty of literature on the subject, should you wish to correct your assumptions. For those with serious symptoms, medication can help make it possible to use coping strategies. It doesn't make it easier, just possible. To put it another way we'll never be neurotypical (normal), and if that's your expectation for someone with ADHD, that's not our problem.
    - n8cpdx 2y ago
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      - falcolas 2y ago
        Congratulations on having ADHD at a level where your coping mechanisms work (and appear to work pretty well). Not everyone is so lucky. Or to put it another way, a broken toe and a broken femur are both categorized as broken bones, but one is much more serious and has complications the other does not.
        valval 2y ago
        We understand that your disability is much worse than the rest of us. Everyone else should stop what they’re doing to accommodate your severe disability.
tailspin2019 2y ago
> relatively minor disability “Research shows that adults with ADHD are 5 times more likely to attempt suicide. 1 in 4 women with ADHD have made attempts on their life, while men are more likely to end their life. Accidental death is also common.” http://www.berkshirehealthcare.nhs.uk/media/109514702/suicide-in-adhd-adhd-bekrshire-healthcare.pdf http://www.berkshirehealthcare.nhs.uk/media/109514702/suicid...
- falcolas 2y ago
  Yeah, we tend to die earlier as well (65 on average, I recall reading). Turns out chronic stress from managing the disability is not great. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/child-development-central/201811/adhd-and-its-impact-longevity https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/child-development-ce...
- Teever 2y ago
  Now show me the suicide statistics on people suffering from permanent paralysis of their limbs.
ok_dad 2y ago
> I think the point that the person you're trying to make is that too many people with an ADHD diagnosis think that being public with that diagnosis gives them a free pass to not over come the difficulties they face. Yea, and my point was: imagine telling a quadriplegic they should just try harder to walk, or alternatively that they should try to keep it secret. It’s a stupid idea. You’re clearly uninformed about this topic, and should research it better.

by Teever 2y ago

jon_richards 2y ago

Funny you chose that example… https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17587293/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17587293/

Teever 2y ago
Now show me the statistics on quadrapeligics brushing their teeth.
- deleted 2y ago
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- hluska 2y ago
  You used very poor examples and that’s okay. You don’t have to be perfect - it’s totally acceptable to wade into a conversation, realize you really weren’t qualified and back out. You don’t have to resort to this level of aggressive debate.

falcolas 2y ago

> ADHD doesn't stop you from doing those basic things does it? Ironic that you picked those two - it absolutely does. ADHD (and autism) have trouble forming habits - remembering to brush your teeth is something that's a real problem for most folks who have ADHD. Not to mention showering, deodorant, etc. As for the bathroom, most ADHD people will hyperfocus to the point where they either don't notice they have to use the bathroom, sometimes for an entire work day at a time. Constipation and minor incontinence are not as uncommon as we wish. > For many people with ADHD it doesn't make things impossible, just much more difficult. Imagine you have a set of spoons with which to do work. For a NT, doing something like brushing your teeth is a habit, so it doesn't take a spoon. For a ND, the habit fails to form, so they have to exert mental energy to do it. Two spoons. Keep this up for an entire day, and by the time you have to cook dinner, ND just don't eat because they've been out of spoons since mid-day. The NT cooks dinner and has a few spoons left over to work on their hobby. Difficult might as well be impossible when you're out of energy. Or spoons. EDIT: Wow. This blew up. I wouldn't mind chatting more about it.

Teever 2y ago
I don't need to imagine because I too have ADHD. While I'm not also a quadrapeligic I feel confident that ADHD in general and quadrapelgia are not comparable. I acknowledge that there are varying levels of severity of ADHD but very few of the instances of ADHD are comparable to such a profound disability as quadrapelgia.
- ok_dad 2y ago
  You don’t compare disabilities, none are worse or lesser than others, it’s simply a disability. Anyone, even those with disabilities, who try and argue one type is worse off than another type are simply being ableist by trying to minimize or marginalize that person’s struggles.
  - Teever 2y ago
    Really? You don't think that there are objective and measurable differences in disabilities? Let's take plegia for example -- all other things being equal which is worse being monoplegic, paraplegic, triplegic, or quadriplegic? Not recognizing objective differences in quality of life associated with varying disabilities does a disservice to those people with extreme disabilities and minimizes and marginalizes their struggles.
    - ok_dad 2y ago
      You’ve taken the opposite of what I said. Everyone’s disability is a struggle. Everyone’s life is a struggle. We help each other to navigate life and don’t compare. Answer this: what’s the end goal of comparing disabilities? I’d argue it’s simply to minimize the “easier” ones. Every struggle is hard for the disabled, bar none. There is no logical reason to compare other than to minimize someone’s struggle, so just avoid doing that. Instead, try and figure out how you can help those around you who struggle, disabled or not.
      - Teever 2y ago
        There are objective differences in disabilities and the suffering of the people afflicted with them. If someone does not recognize that the hardship of losing a pinky finger is not nearly the same as losing an arm, or as the experience of a quadriplegic, they are not making valid assessments of reality and they are not able to provide any help to those people. I say this as a person who has ADHD and have worked with profoundly disabled people many times in my life.

hluska 2y ago

I’m sorry bud, but I really don’t think you understand the topic. The idea is that people with different types of disabilities deserve an appropriate level of accommodation. It’s not a race or any kind of rivalry, or even a competition. It’s about being a decent human being who can think critically.

n8cpdx 2y ago
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- falcolas 2y ago
  > Take your pills and put a bit of effort in and you’ll be fine. Absolutely, categorically wrong. There's plenty of literature on the subject, should you wish to correct your assumptions. For those with serious symptoms, medication can help make it possible to use coping strategies. It doesn't make it easier, just possible. To put it another way we'll never be neurotypical (normal), and if that's your expectation for someone with ADHD, that's not our problem.
  - n8cpdx 2y ago
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    - falcolas 2y ago
      Congratulations on having ADHD at a level where your coping mechanisms work (and appear to work pretty well). Not everyone is so lucky. Or to put it another way, a broken toe and a broken femur are both categorized as broken bones, but one is much more serious and has complications the other does not.
      - valval 2y ago
        We understand that your disability is much worse than the rest of us. Everyone else should stop what they’re doing to accommodate your severe disability.

tailspin2019 2y ago

> relatively minor disability “Research shows that adults with ADHD are 5 times more likely to attempt suicide. 1 in 4 women with ADHD have made attempts on their life, while men are more likely to end their life. Accidental death is also common.” http://www.berkshirehealthcare.nhs.uk/media/109514702/suicide-in-adhd-adhd-bekrshire-healthcare.pdf http://www.berkshirehealthcare.nhs.uk/media/109514702/suicid...

falcolas 2y ago
Yeah, we tend to die earlier as well (65 on average, I recall reading). Turns out chronic stress from managing the disability is not great. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/child-development-central/201811/adhd-and-its-impact-longevity https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/child-development-ce...
Teever 2y ago
Now show me the suicide statistics on people suffering from permanent paralysis of their limbs.

ok_dad 2y ago

> I think the point that the person you're trying to make is that too many people with an ADHD diagnosis think that being public with that diagnosis gives them a free pass to not over come the difficulties they face. Yea, and my point was: imagine telling a quadriplegic they should just try harder to walk, or alternatively that they should try to keep it secret. It’s a stupid idea. You’re clearly uninformed about this topic, and should research it better.