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Your score for Great souled foxes, great souled lions, great souled foxes with lion skin, great souled lions with fox-skins? Mongoose (“RL” examples allowed) ?

Your score for Great souled foxes, great souled lions, great souled foxes with lion skin, great souled lions with fox-skins? Mongoose (“RL” examples allowed) ?) [subsequente exercise would be applying scoring to Philodemus’ (note: fully cosmopolitan) patches]

082349872349872 2y ago
For mongoose I'll have to reread RTT first... Assuming everyone gets full marks except for necessary* dings: foxes 15 A lions 22 B leonine foxes 15 AB +haughty +at will vulpine lions 18 AB ++ambition +at will * Those in skins are get dings from both sides (AB) but in order to play their public persona must have some desiderata added back. (they are also not living at someone else's will, or they wouldn't be wearing the skin) A: It is also characteristic of the great-souled man never to ask help from others and to be haughty towards men of position and fortune, He must be open both in love and in hate and care more for the truth than for what people will think; and speak and act openly He will be incapable of living at the will of another, unless a friend, He is not prone to admiration, since nothing is great to him. He is no gossip, B: He will not compete for the common objects of ambition, or go where other people take the first place He will be incapable of living at the will of another, unless a friend, EDIT: Rikki, the valiant, the true, Tikki, with eyeballs of flame: pure lion (22); vs Nag & Nagaina: pure fox (15) Note that as a good Victorian, Rikki goes where other people take the first place: ...he sat on all their laps one after the other, because every well-brought-up mongoose always hopes to be a house-mongoose some day and have rooms to run about in, and Rikki-tikki's mother (she used to live in the General's house at Segowlee) had carefully told Rikki what to do if ever he came across white men.
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  I spoke too soon; been thinking about RTT and it is subtler (and I have more appreciation for Kipling's crafting)... - (at the bush) RTT lion, Nagaina lion, Nag vulpine lion (...he wanted to get Rikki-tikki off his guard. So he dropped his head a little ... "Let us talk,"...) - (bath-room) RTT lion, Nag lion - (melon patch) RTT lion, Darzee's wife fox - (verandah) RTT lion, Nagaina vulpine lion (I will go away and never come back; He had forgotten the egg. ... and Nagaina came nearer and nearer to it...) - (rat-hole) RTT lion, Nagaina lion I guess most likely in real life would've been the negative-sum end of a chess game: RTT and Nagaina would've killed each other's family before meeting, but Kipling does anticipate this, and has Darzee's wife report that Nagaina didn't follow her to the bush (maybe having been vulpine enough to be suspicious of Darzee's wife's "broken" wing; maybe just having seen the humans on the verandah?) For someone whose current reputation is jingoistic, Kipling's female characters (pace Teddy's mother) here are more formidable than their mates.
- gradschoolfail 2y ago
  Thanks! Much to mull over! Concede that im most sympathetic to leonine foxes (post-philodemus-patch though?). “Effective” leaders, in my book, have to give the people (先-後-不） what they want emotionally, and yet go against their will rather openly (risking assasination) Or maybe thats vulpine lions in your book? (Compare orwell “offering struggle”)
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    Young Pioneers certainly offered the drums and flags, and even bugles, as a bonus. It depends how openly: leonine foxes when less; vulpine lions when more. (if the 不 or even 後 don't notice words and deeds don't match, that's their problem) Note that Kipling, in trying to keep his protagonist heroic, fobbed off all the fraud on a henchbird. [when Rikki puts Nagaina in a fork with the last egg, (a) he had not planned to do so, and (b) his threat is forceful, not fraudulent] more tk on offering struggle
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      while I continue to underrate the emotional appeal of offering struggle: — Isn't there something in living dangerously? — There's a great deal in it. Men and women must have their adrenals stimulated from time to time. — What? — It's one of the conditions of perfect health. That's why we've made the V.P.S. treatments compulsory. — V.P.S.? — Violent Passion Surrogate. Regularly once a month. We flood the whole system with adrenin. It's the complete physiological equivalent of fear and rage. All the tonic effects of murdering Desdemona and being murdered by Othello, without any of the inconvenience.
      - gradschoolfail 2y ago
        2 things (in addition to your above VPS) that i urgently need to pay attention to [im procrastinating! Thanks to lizard brain survivalism? Was deluged by the not-meh HN graviton thread; i dont even know if any logician (what about Krivine/Koerner, you think?) knows the name of the county— the country* is “quantum gravity”.]: - What did “the moral of equivalent of war” mean [WJ, but also JEC,J]. is it related to VPS - Instinctive reverence is it nonsense, or something to practise over a lifetime? *of which nothing is known but the name, pace PC Ps: went looking here on HN histories also for the ideological arrows (via Marion Milner) between Montaigne & Montesquieu*. similar to Borodin & Linebarger iyho? Alert me to de Maistre if necessary *direct ideological ancestor of Jane Jacobs?

082349872349872 2y ago

For mongoose I'll have to reread RTT first... Assuming everyone gets full marks except for necessary* dings: foxes 15 A lions 22 B leonine foxes 15 AB +haughty +at will vulpine lions 18 AB ++ambition +at will * Those in skins are get dings from both sides (AB) but in order to play their public persona must have some desiderata added back. (they are also not living at someone else's will, or they wouldn't be wearing the skin) A: It is also characteristic of the great-souled man never to ask help from others and to be haughty towards men of position and fortune, He must be open both in love and in hate and care more for the truth than for what people will think; and speak and act openly He will be incapable of living at the will of another, unless a friend, He is not prone to admiration, since nothing is great to him. He is no gossip, B: He will not compete for the common objects of ambition, or go where other people take the first place He will be incapable of living at the will of another, unless a friend, EDIT: Rikki, the valiant, the true, Tikki, with eyeballs of flame: pure lion (22); vs Nag & Nagaina: pure fox (15) Note that as a good Victorian, Rikki goes where other people take the first place: ...he sat on all their laps one after the other, because every well-brought-up mongoose always hopes to be a house-mongoose some day and have rooms to run about in, and Rikki-tikki's mother (she used to live in the General's house at Segowlee) had carefully told Rikki what to do if ever he came across white men.

082349872349872 2y ago
I spoke too soon; been thinking about RTT and it is subtler (and I have more appreciation for Kipling's crafting)... - (at the bush) RTT lion, Nagaina lion, Nag vulpine lion (...he wanted to get Rikki-tikki off his guard. So he dropped his head a little ... "Let us talk,"...) - (bath-room) RTT lion, Nag lion - (melon patch) RTT lion, Darzee's wife fox - (verandah) RTT lion, Nagaina vulpine lion (I will go away and never come back; He had forgotten the egg. ... and Nagaina came nearer and nearer to it...) - (rat-hole) RTT lion, Nagaina lion I guess most likely in real life would've been the negative-sum end of a chess game: RTT and Nagaina would've killed each other's family before meeting, but Kipling does anticipate this, and has Darzee's wife report that Nagaina didn't follow her to the bush (maybe having been vulpine enough to be suspicious of Darzee's wife's "broken" wing; maybe just having seen the humans on the verandah?) For someone whose current reputation is jingoistic, Kipling's female characters (pace Teddy's mother) here are more formidable than their mates.
gradschoolfail 2y ago
Thanks! Much to mull over! Concede that im most sympathetic to leonine foxes (post-philodemus-patch though?). “Effective” leaders, in my book, have to give the people (先-後-不） what they want emotionally, and yet go against their will rather openly (risking assasination) Or maybe thats vulpine lions in your book? (Compare orwell “offering struggle”)
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  Young Pioneers certainly offered the drums and flags, and even bugles, as a bonus. It depends how openly: leonine foxes when less; vulpine lions when more. (if the 不 or even 後 don't notice words and deeds don't match, that's their problem) Note that Kipling, in trying to keep his protagonist heroic, fobbed off all the fraud on a henchbird. [when Rikki puts Nagaina in a fork with the last egg, (a) he had not planned to do so, and (b) his threat is forceful, not fraudulent] more tk on offering struggle
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    while I continue to underrate the emotional appeal of offering struggle: — Isn't there something in living dangerously? — There's a great deal in it. Men and women must have their adrenals stimulated from time to time. — What? — It's one of the conditions of perfect health. That's why we've made the V.P.S. treatments compulsory. — V.P.S.? — Violent Passion Surrogate. Regularly once a month. We flood the whole system with adrenin. It's the complete physiological equivalent of fear and rage. All the tonic effects of murdering Desdemona and being murdered by Othello, without any of the inconvenience.
    - gradschoolfail 2y ago
      2 things (in addition to your above VPS) that i urgently need to pay attention to [im procrastinating! Thanks to lizard brain survivalism? Was deluged by the not-meh HN graviton thread; i dont even know if any logician (what about Krivine/Koerner, you think?) knows the name of the county— the country* is “quantum gravity”.]: - What did “the moral of equivalent of war” mean [WJ, but also JEC,J]. is it related to VPS - Instinctive reverence is it nonsense, or something to practise over a lifetime? *of which nothing is known but the name, pace PC Ps: went looking here on HN histories also for the ideological arrows (via Marion Milner) between Montaigne & Montesquieu*. similar to Borodin & Linebarger iyho? Alert me to de Maistre if necessary *direct ideological ancestor of Jane Jacobs?