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I drive a Cybertruck as my daily driver and I don't even know about most of these.

by qwerpy 2y ago

llamaimperative 2y ago
I smoke a pack a day and I haven't heard of lung cancer. I play the lottery every day and I haven't won a dollar. Etc etc
- kaliqt 2y ago
  That's not equivalent. You are describing likelihoods in time series, we are discussing the likelihoods of exceptional defects, period. Which is actually low.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    I ate Boar's Head meat and I didn't get listeria Etc etc The temporal component doesn't matter at all, the point is that an individual's experience is pretty meaningless when trying to understand statistical phenomena. Which is why we invented statistics and do things like "collect data"
- rdtsc 2y ago
  > I play the lottery every day and I haven't won a dollar The chance of a consumer encountering any of those issues is equivalent to winning the lottery? We should all run and get a cybertruck! :-;
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    No, I'm describing the uselessness of people's individual experiences to describe statistical phenomena
    - rdtsc 2y ago
      But I don't see it a whole lot worse than a forum of users listing all the problem they without having any kind of statistic on exactly how frequent these issues are, per vehicle, per mile driven etc. People who have problems with their cybertruck will go and post about it. Understandably, they are also frustrated, the posts sound angry, and then any journalist can repost/compile all those to make it sound like these are just dumpster fires on wheels. But just as in the lottery case, we never get to hear from every loser, only from the winners; here we don't get to hear from the "winners", only the "losers". I mean they may well be dumpster fires on wheels but without solid statistics it's hard to be sure exactly so any kind of story can be made up about it.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        Agreed! More objectively I’m pretttty sure Cybertruck has had an abnormal number of recalls since its introduction, but yeah: we need statistics to make any confident claims.
        fragmede 2y ago
        It's broken down by component, not vehicle, but NHTSA has actual data. https://datahub.transportation.gov/Automobiles/NHTSA-Recalls-by-Manufacturer/mu99-t4jn https://datahub.transportation.gov/Automobiles/NHTSA-Recalls...
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        I'm sure they do have sufficient data to answer this question, but it's not in what you linked and I'm not going to be diving in to do the analysis myself.
- joenot443 2y ago
  You're misusing what's otherwise a useful comparison
fieldcny 2y ago
Cybetruck owners are the car world’s vegans.
- zlsa 2y ago
  This is a thread about the Cybertruck.
  - exe34 2y ago
    that's right, they don't have owners, they identify as independent.
  - fieldcny 2y ago
    No, it’s a thread about car sales and cybertrucks position in that list. Also, I’m sure we are all familiar with the value of anecdotal evidence vs data, the response of “I’m a ____ and I don’t _____” is limited at best and meaningless in the aggregate
    - fragmede 2y ago
      The value of anecdotal reports that "I experienced ______ failure" is similarly limited at best and meaningless in the aggregate, but somehow they're taken as gospel.
- iknowstuff 2y ago
  … the more environmentally sound and morally coherent people?
Tanoc 2y ago
I... Don't know how. The wheel cover issue had a service bulletin sent out to owners, and the suspension being stuck in the lowest position got an over the air update with a big notification. Those at least should've been known to you.
- qwerpy 2y ago
  The wheel cover issues were in Feb, I got mine a few months later and it didn't come with wheel covers. I did know about that one though. The suspension stuck in lowest issue.. really doesn't ring a bell. Maybe it was before my time? Or I glossed over the update notes when I did get it. The point I was trying to make is that this vehicle's issues are widely reported to a disproportionate degree due to how notable and polarizing it is, to the point that random Cybertruck anti-fans know more about its flaws than the average owner. Mine isn't flawless either, the tonneau cover requires some finagling to close, which is kind of annoying. So I'm not going to sing Tesla's praises about their QA standards either.
  - deleted 2y ago
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I drive a Cybertruck as my daily driver and I don't even know about most of these.

by qwerpy 2y ago

I drive a Cybertruck as my daily driver and I don't even know about most of these.

I smoke a pack a day and I haven't heard of lung cancer. I play the lottery every day and I haven't won a dollar. Etc etc

kaliqt 2y ago
That's not equivalent. You are describing likelihoods in time series, we are discussing the likelihoods of exceptional defects, period. Which is actually low.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  I ate Boar's Head meat and I didn't get listeria Etc etc The temporal component doesn't matter at all, the point is that an individual's experience is pretty meaningless when trying to understand statistical phenomena. Which is why we invented statistics and do things like "collect data"
rdtsc 2y ago
> I play the lottery every day and I haven't won a dollar The chance of a consumer encountering any of those issues is equivalent to winning the lottery? We should all run and get a cybertruck! :-;
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  No, I'm describing the uselessness of people's individual experiences to describe statistical phenomena
  - rdtsc 2y ago
    But I don't see it a whole lot worse than a forum of users listing all the problem they without having any kind of statistic on exactly how frequent these issues are, per vehicle, per mile driven etc. People who have problems with their cybertruck will go and post about it. Understandably, they are also frustrated, the posts sound angry, and then any journalist can repost/compile all those to make it sound like these are just dumpster fires on wheels. But just as in the lottery case, we never get to hear from every loser, only from the winners; here we don't get to hear from the "winners", only the "losers". I mean they may well be dumpster fires on wheels but without solid statistics it's hard to be sure exactly so any kind of story can be made up about it.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      Agreed! More objectively I’m pretttty sure Cybertruck has had an abnormal number of recalls since its introduction, but yeah: we need statistics to make any confident claims.
      - fragmede 2y ago
        It's broken down by component, not vehicle, but NHTSA has actual data. https://datahub.transportation.gov/Automobiles/NHTSA-Recalls-by-Manufacturer/mu99-t4jn https://datahub.transportation.gov/Automobiles/NHTSA-Recalls...
        llamaimperative 2y ago
        I'm sure they do have sufficient data to answer this question, but it's not in what you linked and I'm not going to be diving in to do the analysis myself.
joenot443 2y ago
You're misusing what's otherwise a useful comparison

fieldcny 2y ago

Cybetruck owners are the car world’s vegans.

zlsa 2y ago
This is a thread about the Cybertruck.
- exe34 2y ago
  that's right, they don't have owners, they identify as independent.
- fieldcny 2y ago
  No, it’s a thread about car sales and cybertrucks position in that list. Also, I’m sure we are all familiar with the value of anecdotal evidence vs data, the response of “I’m a ____ and I don’t _____” is limited at best and meaningless in the aggregate
  - fragmede 2y ago
    The value of anecdotal reports that "I experienced ______ failure" is similarly limited at best and meaningless in the aggregate, but somehow they're taken as gospel.
iknowstuff 2y ago
… the more environmentally sound and morally coherent people?

Tanoc 2y ago

I... Don't know how. The wheel cover issue had a service bulletin sent out to owners, and the suspension being stuck in the lowest position got an over the air update with a big notification. Those at least should've been known to you.

qwerpy 2y ago
The wheel cover issues were in Feb, I got mine a few months later and it didn't come with wheel covers. I did know about that one though. The suspension stuck in lowest issue.. really doesn't ring a bell. Maybe it was before my time? Or I glossed over the update notes when I did get it. The point I was trying to make is that this vehicle's issues are widely reported to a disproportionate degree due to how notable and polarizing it is, to the point that random Cybertruck anti-fans know more about its flaws than the average owner. Mine isn't flawless either, the tonneau cover requires some finagling to close, which is kind of annoying. So I'm not going to sing Tesla's praises about their QA standards either.
- deleted 2y ago
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