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The thing is, the people most likely to complain that the Cybertruck is a bad vehicle are the people who are informed about it. The wider public doesn't know ab
by Tanoc 2y ago
The thing is, the people most likely to complain that the Cybertruck is a bad vehicle are the people who are informed about it. The wider public doesn't know about things like the tonneau cover leaking, wheel bearings failing, the suspension being stuck down and causing tire rub, the aerodynamic wheel covers that were causing tire failures because they were puncturing the sidewalls, the upper control arms that bend like an empty aluminum can, the door edges that will cut your finger off, the tailgate that will also cut your finger off, the fact that it's got even worse sight lines than the Hummer H1, or that the bed effectively loses twenty percent of it's space because of the backwards angled bulkhead where the bed and the cab meet.
Someone who is an enthusiast will most likely know about those things because they were widely reported in the automotive news sphere, and thus they will have a much higher chance of being against the Cybertruck. The wider public doesn't know, and so the novelty factor draws them in.
- qwerpy 2y agoI drive a Cybertruck as my daily driver and I don't even know about most of these.
- llamaimperative 2y agoI smoke a pack a day and I haven't heard of lung cancer. I play the lottery every day and I haven't won a dollar. Etc etc
- kaliqt 2y agoThat's not equivalent. You are describing likelihoods in time series, we are discussing the likelihoods of exceptional defects, period. Which is actually low.
- llamaimperative 2y agoI ate Boar's Head meat and I didn't get listeria Etc etc The temporal component doesn't matter at all, the point is that an individual's experience is pretty meaningless when trying to understand statistical phenomena. Which is why we invented statistics and do things like "collect data"
- rdtsc 2y ago> I play the lottery every day and I haven't won a dollar The chance of a consumer encountering any of those issues is equivalent to winning the lottery? We should all run and get a cybertruck! :-;
- llamaimperative 2y agoNo, I'm describing the uselessness of people's individual experiences to describe statistical phenomena
- rdtsc 2y agoBut I don't see it a whole lot worse than a forum of users listing all the problem they without having any kind of statistic on exactly how frequent these issues are, per vehicle, per mile driven etc. People who have problems with their cybertruck will go and post about it. Understandably, they are also frustrated, the posts sound angry, and then any journalist can repost/compile all those to make it sound like these are just dumpster fires on wheels. But just as in the lottery case, we never get to hear from every loser, only from the winners; here we don't get to hear from the "winners", only the "losers". I mean they may well be dumpster fires on wheels but without solid statistics it's hard to be sure exactly so any kind of story can be made up about it.
- llamaimperative 2y agoAgreed! More objectively I’m pretttty sure Cybertruck has had an abnormal number of recalls since its introduction, but yeah: we need statistics to make any confident claims.
- fragmede 2y agoIt's broken down by component, not vehicle, but NHTSA has actual data. https://datahub.transportation.gov/Automobiles/NHTSA-Recalls-by-Manufacturer/mu99-t4jn https://datahub.transportation.gov/Automobiles/NHTSA-Recalls...
- joenot443 2y agoYou're misusing what's otherwise a useful comparison
- fieldcny 2y agoCybetruck owners are the car world’s vegans.
- zlsa 2y agoThis is a thread about the Cybertruck.
- exe34 2y agothat's right, they don't have owners, they identify as independent.
- fieldcny 2y agoNo, it’s a thread about car sales and cybertrucks position in that list. Also, I’m sure we are all familiar with the value of anecdotal evidence vs data, the response of “I’m a ____ and I don’t _____” is limited at best and meaningless in the aggregate
- fragmede 2y agoThe value of anecdotal reports that "I experienced ______ failure" is similarly limited at best and meaningless in the aggregate, but somehow they're taken as gospel.
- iknowstuff 2y ago… the more environmentally sound and morally coherent people?
- Tanoc 2y agoI... Don't know how. The wheel cover issue had a service bulletin sent out to owners, and the suspension being stuck in the lowest position got an over the air update with a big notification. Those at least should've been known to you.
- qwerpy 2y agoThe wheel cover issues were in Feb, I got mine a few months later and it didn't come with wheel covers. I did know about that one though. The suspension stuck in lowest issue.. really doesn't ring a bell. Maybe it was before my time? Or I glossed over the update notes when I did get it. The point I was trying to make is that this vehicle's issues are widely reported to a disproportionate degree due to how notable and polarizing it is, to the point that random Cybertruck anti-fans know more about its flaws than the average owner. Mine isn't flawless either, the tonneau cover requires some finagling to close, which is kind of annoying. So I'm not going to sing Tesla's praises about their QA standards either.
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- diebeforei485 2y agoMost of the things you mention are issues with individual units (lemons).
- CuriousCosmic 2y agoThe problem with Teslas almost universally is with lemons. Which is to say if you get lucky your experience will be great. The problem is that there are a fuck ton of lemons and cars that have no problems turn into lemons right around the time that the first few problems show up (which means more lemons as they age). That's essentially just a QA and reliability design failure which is indicative of broader issues with Tesla but it also means that until someone's vehicle starts having problems they will have nothing but a positive experience which can leave them blindsided by said problems.
- pvaldes 2y agoSome markets could have more lemons that other. An insurance adjuster tell me that most of his interventions with towed Teslas were for cars refusing to start by electric issues and that a lot of the Teslas seen by him were second hand vehicles imported from other countries. The guy disliked the brand a lot. I assume that those weren't the best models if the first owner get rid of them.
- bko 2y agoI think a simpler explanation is that terminally online people just don't like the politics of the CEO and like to take any chance to dunk on him. In a world that has been stagnant for decades in terms of design and doing things out the box, it's something at least trying to be different. Don't get all the hate
- kalleboo 2y agoEven car people who agree with the CEO's politics dunk on it - see WhistlinDiesel
- throwaway48476 2y agoThat's not a car person.
- nilleo 2y agoWhat's your definition of a car person? I don't care for the guy, but having multiple modified super cars and building several custom trucks in the past -- he seems like a car [truck] person to me?
- throwaway48476 2y agoSomeone like James May.
- Der_Einzige 2y agoI prefer Sarah-n-tuned but something tells me that folks who want to purity test folks on if they are a “car person” or not will really dislike the idea of a trans female appearing person knowing more about cars than 99% of the “car people” of YouTube.
- hbs18 2y agoHe's a youtuber whose niche is outrage bait for engagement and views.
- joenot443 2y ago> tonneau cover leaking, wheel bearings failing, the suspension being stuck down and causing tire rub, the aerodynamic wheel covers that were causing tire failures because they were puncturing the sidewalls I think unless you're the kind of person who specifically spends time online looking for reasons not to buy a Cybertruck, you probably wouldn't know _any_ of that.
- Tanoc 2y agoSavage Geese, The Autopian, The Drive, Road & Track, and Motor Trend all individually reported on some or all of these issues. The tonneau cover leaks became a meme that people reposted on places like TikTok and Instagram. It's not those terminally online, it's that in the first year of the Cybertruck's release a bunch of outlets were documenting it because it brings in readers.
- fragmede 2y agoSo 5 bits of anecdata, and a unknown number of terminally online TikTok and Instagram addicts, some of whom don't even own one in the first place.
- gqcwwjtg 2y agoAs someone who doesn’t own a car, every single time the cyber truck shows up 50-90% of the info is about these issues. Why would you trust individuals who already bought one more than auto reviewers?
- BearOso 2y agoI think most of these people don't notice because they aren't pushing it. They're using it like most people use an SUV these days--as a normal car on roads and highways without any cargo. It's an overpriced status symbol to them.
- bnolsen 2y agoAnd apparently that's also true for many people who buy these monster trucks that also push 100k use.
- jiggawatts 2y agoAlso, I will walk up to a parked super car and take pictures of it, but I would never buy one even if I could afford dozens of them with cash.