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The reasons one diet is typically accepted and the other isn't is because the two diets are materially different. It's possible to have a nutritionally complete

The reasons one diet is typically accepted and the other isn't is because the two diets are materially different. It's possible to have a nutritionally complete diet of only plants where the vast majority of the nutrients are naturally occurring in the food. The same is not true of a diet without plants; it's not possible to have a nutritionally complete diet without plants without a significant portion of nutrients coming only from supplementation.

profsummergig 2y ago
> It's possible to have a nutritionally complete diet of only plants Vegans need B12 supplementation.
- aziaziazi 2y ago
  They do, as well as (somehow) omnivores that do not eat game animals regularly. All livestock are supplemented so they stay somewhat healthy AND share a fraction of that b12 with you through that steak. Not very far from a supplemented tofu steak IMHO.
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  - willy_k 2y ago
    Is that also the case for grass fed beef?
- maxk42 2y ago
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tomohawk 2y ago
Perhaps you're not aware that Inuit lived without plants for most of the year and did well? Maybe take a look at this documentary, which touches on the story of a vegetarian who ended up living with the Inuit and his experiences. It's a good place to start to expand your knowledge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVJM_0XEiBI&pp=ygUPZmF0IGRvY3VtZW50YXJ5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVJM_0XEiBI&pp=ygUPZmF0IGRvY...
- maxk42 2y ago
  The Inuit. The Kazakh people. The Sami. (In fact most Northern Europeans had nothing to eat but meat and maybe fermented vegetables for two thirds of the year.) The Masai. The Metis. Conversely, there has never been a vegan society. Even the handful of vegetarian cultures that have evolved such as those found in India rely heavily on dairy. Humans simply aren't adapted to be vegetarian.
gushogg-blake 2y ago
This is just wrong as far as I know. How are you defining complete nutrition and where did you get the idea that you can get it from an all-plant diet but not an all-meat one?
tsimionescu 2y ago
While I am extremely skeptical of the healthy-ness of a diet entirely made of meat and other animal products, I'm not sure what particular nutrients you are thinking of. The only thing that animal products don't contain that can be found in plants is dietary fiber, and it's somewhat debatable whether to call that a nutrient. But otherwise, meat and other animal products contain all of the necessary proteins, fats, and vitamins. After all, we all live entirely on animal products for ~1 year of our lives, when we exclusively drink milk. The problem with meat is that it doesn't contain carbohydrates, which are a cheap source of energy, so the body has to work a lot more to get its energy, and with a lot more by-products. Also, the lack of fiber will significantly alter the gut microbiome, and almost always leads to stool issues.

profsummergig 2y ago

> It's possible to have a nutritionally complete diet of only plants Vegans need B12 supplementation.

aziaziazi 2y ago
They do, as well as (somehow) omnivores that do not eat game animals regularly. All livestock are supplemented so they stay somewhat healthy AND share a fraction of that b12 with you through that steak. Not very far from a supplemented tofu steak IMHO.
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- willy_k 2y ago
  Is that also the case for grass fed beef?
maxk42 2y ago
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tomohawk 2y ago

Perhaps you're not aware that Inuit lived without plants for most of the year and did well? Maybe take a look at this documentary, which touches on the story of a vegetarian who ended up living with the Inuit and his experiences. It's a good place to start to expand your knowledge. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVJM_0XEiBI&pp=ygUPZmF0IGRvY3VtZW50YXJ5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVJM_0XEiBI&pp=ygUPZmF0IGRvY...

maxk42 2y ago
The Inuit. The Kazakh people. The Sami. (In fact most Northern Europeans had nothing to eat but meat and maybe fermented vegetables for two thirds of the year.) The Masai. The Metis. Conversely, there has never been a vegan society. Even the handful of vegetarian cultures that have evolved such as those found in India rely heavily on dairy. Humans simply aren't adapted to be vegetarian.

gushogg-blake 2y ago

This is just wrong as far as I know. How are you defining complete nutrition and where did you get the idea that you can get it from an all-plant diet but not an all-meat one?

tsimionescu 2y ago

While I am extremely skeptical of the healthy-ness of a diet entirely made of meat and other animal products, I'm not sure what particular nutrients you are thinking of. The only thing that animal products don't contain that can be found in plants is dietary fiber, and it's somewhat debatable whether to call that a nutrient. But otherwise, meat and other animal products contain all of the necessary proteins, fats, and vitamins. After all, we all live entirely on animal products for ~1 year of our lives, when we exclusively drink milk. The problem with meat is that it doesn't contain carbohydrates, which are a cheap source of energy, so the body has to work a lot more to get its energy, and with a lot more by-products. Also, the lack of fiber will significantly alter the gut microbiome, and almost always leads to stool issues.