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Bullenweg.com is no longer available following threats of legal action

119 points by odo1242 2y ago

talldayo 2y ago
https://web.archive.org/web/20241006234445/https://bullenweg.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20241006234445/https://bullenweg...
notamy 2y ago
The previous commits/content of the site on GitHub seem to still be available: https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io/blob/77295673c4e3e3c62e4e64e6299930b0798135df/README.md https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io/blob/772956...
boomboomsubban 2y ago
The site as of yesterday https://archive.is/FU6Zd https://archive.is/FU6Zd
- gurjeet 2y ago
  Latest Internet Archive link; may be slightly dated, because of IA's recent troubles due to the attack. https://web.archive.org/web/20241008203501/https://bullenweg.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20241008203501/https://bullenweg...
vr46 2y ago
Is MulletWig.com available? Asking for a friend
pluc 2y ago
From bullenweg's repo (https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io/commits/main/ https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io/commits/mai...): * [The Mullenweg/WPE Thing by @adrienne](https://gist.github.com/adrienne/aea9dd7ca19c8985157d9c42f7fc225d https://gist.github.com/adrienne/aea9dd7ca19c8985157d9c42f7f...) * [Mullenweg.wtf](https://mullenweg.wtf https://mullenweg.wtf) * [The Mattrix Derailed / mattrixderailed.com](https://mattrixderailed.com/ https://mattrixderailed.com/) * [Matt Engine / mattengine.com](https://mattengine.com/ https://mattengine.com/) * [WordPress vs. WP Engine Dispute Timeline / wpvswpe.report](https://wpvswpe.report/ https://wpvswpe.report/) * [AntiMATTic / antimattic.net](https://antimattic.net/ https://antimattic.net/) * [WP Engine's timeline of events / wpengine.com](https://wpengine.com/blog/ensuring-stability-and-security/ https://wpengine.com/blog/ensuring-stability-and-security/) And let's not forget this little gem: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41821336#41821837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41821336#41821837
curiousgal 2y ago
Said it before and I will say it again, this boy is the epitome of SDE. I am so glad I never touched WP even with a stick. Hopefully this will spark interest in static sites generators.
- kylecazar 2y ago
  I've tried to look up SDE and can't find anything?
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    Small dick energy.
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- gitaarik 2y ago
  I touched it once with a stick, when a friend asked me to fix an issue on her personal website. I feel very dirty now.
Sebguer 2y ago
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eriri 2y ago
So this site was a simple timeline of the actions Matt Mullenweg took regarding the recent mess. It makes it clear what kind of deal people are getting into by using WordPress, which is crucial considering that half the internet depends on it. There's no excuse for threatening to doxx the author for this, and it's ironic considering that Mullenweg himself has accused others of stepping on his free speech rights, according to his own blog. > 2024-10-20 > Matt accuses WP Engine of attempting to curtail his First Amendment rights https://archive.md/IyFla https://archive.md/IyFla
- bongodongobob 2y ago
  It sad that so many people don't understand the 1st amendment. No business can curtail your first amendment rights because they are not the government. And no, twitter, Facebook, etc are not so big that it involves free speech. They aren't the government, period.
  - 4hg4ufxhy 2y ago
    But the government can tell a business to do it, like twitter used to do in 2020.
    - ceejayoz 2y ago
      The government can ask. Twitter frequently turned them down.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > sad that so many people don't understand the 1st amendment Yup. Private parties can curtail your right to free speech. But not your rights under the First Amendment.
    - bongodongobob 2y ago
      Not really. You don't have a right to post things on Twitter or shout at people in Wendy's. A twitter moderator or a Wendy's manager isn't the government and you have no expectation of freedom of speech or expression in either of those scenarios. I get what you're saying, but it's not technically correct.
pimlottc 2y ago
Context?
- martin_a 2y ago
  The site listed the timeline with Matt Mullenweg randomly trying to crush Automattic competitors by using the non profit organisation as leverage.
- gurjeet 2y ago
  The latest snapshot of the website may help: https://web.archive.org/web/20241008203501/https://bullenweg.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20241008203501/https://bullenweg...
bhouston 2y ago
Who is behind this? Was trying to figure that out but couldn't easily. Did someone claim ownership on a social network or elsewhere?
- odo1242 2y ago
  I think they’re anonymous (which is likely why they shut down the site in response to legal threats, you need a name and address to respond to lawsuits)
rob 2y ago
Matt on HN 14 days ago: > It actually is an excellent website, and the repo is here: https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41821837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41821837
- tptacek 2y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41958198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41958198
phendrenad2 2y ago
Oh boy, he's about to get Streisand Effected so hard. gets popcorn
Animats 2y ago
This is all about the Wordpress thing?
itcrowd 2y ago
My impression is that Bullenweg.com initially provided a timeline of events but took on a progressively more active stance as events unfolded. This culminated in a made-up addition to the timeline entitled "Matt announces acquisition of Bullenweg.com" complete with a "quote" from Matt (there is a footnote within it mentioning it is fake). This seems to have been the last straw to the lawyers representing Matt to step in and threaten a libel suit (or similar). The result is Bullenweg.com folding (for now) since this could get real expensive real quick. The above is my interpretation of the events - I have no further inside insights.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  Parody is absolutely fair use, and it doesn’t have to be footnoted even. This is how The Onion survives.
- eriri 2y ago
  It still was a timeline of events. A single joke, clearly mentioned as such, does nothing to change that. Furthermore, the doxxing threat obviously wasn't made by lawyers. The style of writing has Matt Mullenweg written all over it.
andrewstuart 2y ago
This whole Wordpress thing is like some sort of wild bar room brawl.
angoragoats 2y ago
I hadn’t heard of this site before today, but clicking through to the archive link allowed me to learn about many more of the shitty things that Matt has done, which I’d likely be unaware of otherwise. Matt, I think this is a great example of the Streisand effect! Please seek help for yourself.
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119 points by odo1242 2y ago

https://web.archive.org/web/20241006234445/https://bullenweg.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20241006234445/https://bullenweg...

notamy 2y ago

The previous commits/content of the site on GitHub seem to still be available: https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io/blob/77295673c4e3e3c62e4e64e6299930b0798135df/README.md https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io/blob/772956...

boomboomsubban 2y ago

The site as of yesterday https://archive.is/FU6Zd https://archive.is/FU6Zd

gurjeet 2y ago
Latest Internet Archive link; may be slightly dated, because of IA's recent troubles due to the attack. https://web.archive.org/web/20241008203501/https://bullenweg.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20241008203501/https://bullenweg...

vr46 2y ago

Is MulletWig.com available? Asking for a friend

pluc 2y ago

From bullenweg's repo (https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io/commits/main/ https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io/commits/mai...): * [The Mullenweg/WPE Thing by @adrienne](https://gist.github.com/adrienne/aea9dd7ca19c8985157d9c42f7fc225d https://gist.github.com/adrienne/aea9dd7ca19c8985157d9c42f7f...) * [Mullenweg.wtf](https://mullenweg.wtf https://mullenweg.wtf) * [The Mattrix Derailed / mattrixderailed.com](https://mattrixderailed.com/ https://mattrixderailed.com/) * [Matt Engine / mattengine.com](https://mattengine.com/ https://mattengine.com/) * [WordPress vs. WP Engine Dispute Timeline / wpvswpe.report](https://wpvswpe.report/ https://wpvswpe.report/) * [AntiMATTic / antimattic.net](https://antimattic.net/ https://antimattic.net/) * [WP Engine's timeline of events / wpengine.com](https://wpengine.com/blog/ensuring-stability-and-security/ https://wpengine.com/blog/ensuring-stability-and-security/) And let's not forget this little gem: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41821336#41821837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41821336#41821837

curiousgal 2y ago

Said it before and I will say it again, this boy is the epitome of SDE. I am so glad I never touched WP even with a stick. Hopefully this will spark interest in static sites generators.

kylecazar 2y ago
I've tried to look up SDE and can't find anything?
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  Small dick energy.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
gitaarik 2y ago
I touched it once with a stick, when a friend asked me to fix an issue on her personal website. I feel very dirty now.

Sebguer 2y ago

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eriri 2y ago

So this site was a simple timeline of the actions Matt Mullenweg took regarding the recent mess. It makes it clear what kind of deal people are getting into by using WordPress, which is crucial considering that half the internet depends on it. There's no excuse for threatening to doxx the author for this, and it's ironic considering that Mullenweg himself has accused others of stepping on his free speech rights, according to his own blog. > 2024-10-20 > Matt accuses WP Engine of attempting to curtail his First Amendment rights https://archive.md/IyFla https://archive.md/IyFla

bongodongobob 2y ago
It sad that so many people don't understand the 1st amendment. No business can curtail your first amendment rights because they are not the government. And no, twitter, Facebook, etc are not so big that it involves free speech. They aren't the government, period.
- 4hg4ufxhy 2y ago
  But the government can tell a business to do it, like twitter used to do in 2020.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    The government can ask. Twitter frequently turned them down.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > sad that so many people don't understand the 1st amendment Yup. Private parties can curtail your right to free speech. But not your rights under the First Amendment.
  - bongodongobob 2y ago
    Not really. You don't have a right to post things on Twitter or shout at people in Wendy's. A twitter moderator or a Wendy's manager isn't the government and you have no expectation of freedom of speech or expression in either of those scenarios. I get what you're saying, but it's not technically correct.

pimlottc 2y ago

Context?

martin_a 2y ago
The site listed the timeline with Matt Mullenweg randomly trying to crush Automattic competitors by using the non profit organisation as leverage.
gurjeet 2y ago
The latest snapshot of the website may help: https://web.archive.org/web/20241008203501/https://bullenweg.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20241008203501/https://bullenweg...

bhouston 2y ago

Who is behind this? Was trying to figure that out but couldn't easily. Did someone claim ownership on a social network or elsewhere?

odo1242 2y ago
I think they’re anonymous (which is likely why they shut down the site in response to legal threats, you need a name and address to respond to lawsuits)

rob 2y ago

Matt on HN 14 days ago: > It actually is an excellent website, and the repo is here: https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io https://github.com/bullenweg/bullenweg.github.io https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41821837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41821837

tptacek 2y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41958198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41958198

phendrenad2 2y ago

Oh boy, he's about to get Streisand Effected so hard. gets popcorn

Animats 2y ago

This is all about the Wordpress thing?

itcrowd 2y ago

My impression is that Bullenweg.com initially provided a timeline of events but took on a progressively more active stance as events unfolded. This culminated in a made-up addition to the timeline entitled "Matt announces acquisition of Bullenweg.com" complete with a "quote" from Matt (there is a footnote within it mentioning it is fake). This seems to have been the last straw to the lawyers representing Matt to step in and threaten a libel suit (or similar). The result is Bullenweg.com folding (for now) since this could get real expensive real quick. The above is my interpretation of the events - I have no further inside insights.

ceejayoz 2y ago
Parody is absolutely fair use, and it doesn’t have to be footnoted even. This is how The Onion survives.
eriri 2y ago
It still was a timeline of events. A single joke, clearly mentioned as such, does nothing to change that. Furthermore, the doxxing threat obviously wasn't made by lawyers. The style of writing has Matt Mullenweg written all over it.

andrewstuart 2y ago

This whole Wordpress thing is like some sort of wild bar room brawl.

angoragoats 2y ago

I hadn’t heard of this site before today, but clicking through to the archive link allowed me to learn about many more of the shitty things that Matt has done, which I’d likely be unaware of otherwise. Matt, I think this is a great example of the Streisand effect! Please seek help for yourself.

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