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>drivers should be apps too (Redox and others (even macOS partially) get this right) Man i stop here since you don't even know what a driver is, and no, nor Re

>drivers should be apps too (Redox and others (even macOS partially) get this right) Man i stop here since you don't even know what a driver is, and no, nor Redox or macOS can do anything against a bad/hostile but signed driver. But you obviously don't know what drivers are (hint..communicating directly with hardware)

quotemstr 2y ago
Have you ever heard of an IOMMU? Talking to hardware is not a god mode cheat code. It's long been feasible to limit a drive's access to hardware it's supposed to manage. Why should I let my NVMe driver talk to my NIC? It shouldn't even be able to see plaintext disk sectors! If you're going to make sweeping statements about others being incorrect, it would behoove you to become familiar with the material.
- BSDobelix 2y ago
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  - quotemstr 2y ago
    You're clearly interested in operating systems. I hope you learn about them one day so you can contribute to one. You might want to start with, e.g. infiniband drivers, which somehow allow programs to communicate "directly" with hardware without having unlimited privilege. There's a lot more to OS design than a user/kernel dichotomy, and user mode can do more than you think.
    - BSDobelix 2y ago
      >infiniband drivers, which somehow allow programs to communicate "directly" with hardware At least you understand what drivers do, like my printer-driver or GPU-Drivers
  - ruthmarx 2y ago
    > Hey i stop here, You should, because it's not a good look for you. You're clearly speaking from ignorance. OS research has progressed a lot from what you learned 20 years ago or whatever.
    - BSDobelix 2y ago
      The ignorance is strong in you, drivers as apps....really a clown-show.
      - ruthmarx 2y ago
        The problem is you are outright dismissing the idea without having brought yourself up to speed.. You continue to look foolish when you attempt to ridicule others because you think they are wrong or ignorant, because you yourself don't realize your knowledge is limited and out of date. You're basically equivalent to someone from an earlier era ridiculing a modern person trying to explain the earth is in fact, not the center of the universe.

quotemstr 2y ago

Have you ever heard of an IOMMU? Talking to hardware is not a god mode cheat code. It's long been feasible to limit a drive's access to hardware it's supposed to manage. Why should I let my NVMe driver talk to my NIC? It shouldn't even be able to see plaintext disk sectors! If you're going to make sweeping statements about others being incorrect, it would behoove you to become familiar with the material.

BSDobelix 2y ago
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- quotemstr 2y ago
  You're clearly interested in operating systems. I hope you learn about them one day so you can contribute to one. You might want to start with, e.g. infiniband drivers, which somehow allow programs to communicate "directly" with hardware without having unlimited privilege. There's a lot more to OS design than a user/kernel dichotomy, and user mode can do more than you think.
  - BSDobelix 2y ago
    >infiniband drivers, which somehow allow programs to communicate "directly" with hardware At least you understand what drivers do, like my printer-driver or GPU-Drivers
- ruthmarx 2y ago
  > Hey i stop here, You should, because it's not a good look for you. You're clearly speaking from ignorance. OS research has progressed a lot from what you learned 20 years ago or whatever.
  - BSDobelix 2y ago
    The ignorance is strong in you, drivers as apps....really a clown-show.
    - ruthmarx 2y ago
      The problem is you are outright dismissing the idea without having brought yourself up to speed.. You continue to look foolish when you attempt to ridicule others because you think they are wrong or ignorant, because you yourself don't realize your knowledge is limited and out of date. You're basically equivalent to someone from an earlier era ridiculing a modern person trying to explain the earth is in fact, not the center of the universe.