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Please see Prof John Mearsheimer regarding Ukraine.

by tharmas 2y ago

mdp2021 2y ago
What, of JM.? He has published much - some of quality and some weak. None of what I read of him seems relevant.
- tharmas 2y ago
  CONFIDENTIAL: WikiLeaks Document PROVES U.S. Knew NATO Expansion Would Cause Russia/Ukraine War: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html https://libertarianinstitute.org/dont-tread-on-anyone/nyet-nato/ https://libertarianinstitute.org/dont-tread-on-anyone/nyet-n... The USA provoked a War with Russia via Ukraine. The USA sees it in their strategic interests to "Knock down" Russia's "strength" back to what it was in the 1990s i.e. on their knees. Provoking a War via a proxy such as Ukraine was seen as the best way to do this. Mearsheimer argues that Russia is not an existential threat to American Hegemony so therefore expanding NATO into Ukraine to provoke a War is an unnecessary goal. He sees China as the real existential threat. The USA is not 'defending" Ukraine because it cares about Ukraine. The situation in Gaza proves that the USA does not "care" about people at all, only what it sees as its strategic interests. The USA is using Israel as a proxy against Iran and Iranian backed "terrorists". The USA regards Israel as having similar strategic interests. And it can use Israel to do the "dirty work" while pretending that they "care" about human rites.
- tharmas 2y ago
  Even in Obama's own book he states the reasons for Putin's motives regarding Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLqECnjJ7eU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLqECnjJ7eU
  - mdp2021 2y ago
    The matter was, "why is that relevant".
    - tharmas 2y ago
      The original comment doesn't show up so I'm not able to reread it but the relevancy of my bringing up Mearsheimer was purely in response to the mentioning of Russia invading a sovereign country, namely Ukraine, not to the Russian developers being removed by the Linux maintainers.
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        You may want to reevaluate your relationship with Mearsheimer. His reasoning is quite suspect, you know.
        tharmas 2y ago
        What makes his reasoning suspect? Genuinely curious. I accept that his reasoning that the Israel lobby is the main motive for US Foreign Policy in the Middle East is flawed or overstated. Anything else?
        aguaviva 2y ago
        (1) He fails to read Putin's colonial attitude toward Ukraine, and is way too eager to accept the regime's stated NATO encroachment position at face value (rather than for the foil that it is). (2) Dualism -- he's obsessed with the idea that the US has one real enemy, China, and that therefore Russia should be its friend, no matter what it does. But mostly because he makes a lot of distorted (and in my view digingenuous) statements (or omits things he should be saying) about basic events. Basically, he's just really slippery.
      - mdp2021 2y ago
        Your post was in reply to a note about sanctions. There is a difference between "explaining actions" and "justifying actions".
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    He describes what Putin claims are his motives. That doesn't mean he believes those really were his actual motives, or that you should believe that. Though it should have been obvious enough, this point was entirely missed by the guys yapping in the video.

Please see Prof John Mearsheimer regarding Ukraine.

mdp2021 2y ago

What, of JM.? He has published much - some of quality and some weak. None of what I read of him seems relevant.

tharmas 2y ago
CONFIDENTIAL: WikiLeaks Document PROVES U.S. Knew NATO Expansion Would Cause Russia/Ukraine War: https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08MOSCOW265_a.html https://libertarianinstitute.org/dont-tread-on-anyone/nyet-nato/ https://libertarianinstitute.org/dont-tread-on-anyone/nyet-n... The USA provoked a War with Russia via Ukraine. The USA sees it in their strategic interests to "Knock down" Russia's "strength" back to what it was in the 1990s i.e. on their knees. Provoking a War via a proxy such as Ukraine was seen as the best way to do this. Mearsheimer argues that Russia is not an existential threat to American Hegemony so therefore expanding NATO into Ukraine to provoke a War is an unnecessary goal. He sees China as the real existential threat. The USA is not 'defending" Ukraine because it cares about Ukraine. The situation in Gaza proves that the USA does not "care" about people at all, only what it sees as its strategic interests. The USA is using Israel as a proxy against Iran and Iranian backed "terrorists". The USA regards Israel as having similar strategic interests. And it can use Israel to do the "dirty work" while pretending that they "care" about human rites.
tharmas 2y ago
Even in Obama's own book he states the reasons for Putin's motives regarding Ukraine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLqECnjJ7eU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLqECnjJ7eU
- mdp2021 2y ago
  The matter was, "why is that relevant".
  - tharmas 2y ago
    The original comment doesn't show up so I'm not able to reread it but the relevancy of my bringing up Mearsheimer was purely in response to the mentioning of Russia invading a sovereign country, namely Ukraine, not to the Russian developers being removed by the Linux maintainers.
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      You may want to reevaluate your relationship with Mearsheimer. His reasoning is quite suspect, you know.
      - tharmas 2y ago
        What makes his reasoning suspect? Genuinely curious. I accept that his reasoning that the Israel lobby is the main motive for US Foreign Policy in the Middle East is flawed or overstated. Anything else?
        aguaviva 2y ago
        (1) He fails to read Putin's colonial attitude toward Ukraine, and is way too eager to accept the regime's stated NATO encroachment position at face value (rather than for the foil that it is). (2) Dualism -- he's obsessed with the idea that the US has one real enemy, China, and that therefore Russia should be its friend, no matter what it does. But mostly because he makes a lot of distorted (and in my view digingenuous) statements (or omits things he should be saying) about basic events. Basically, he's just really slippery.
    - mdp2021 2y ago
      Your post was in reply to a note about sanctions. There is a difference between "explaining actions" and "justifying actions".
- aguaviva 2y ago
  He describes what Putin claims are his motives. That doesn't mean he believes those really were his actual motives, or that you should believe that. Though it should have been obvious enough, this point was entirely missed by the guys yapping in the video.