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> For a number of years, a friend of mine has had a '99 Plymouth Prowler. If I were to base car popularity based solely on people coming up to ask about the car

by TMWNN 2y ago

> For a number of years, a friend of mine has had a '99 Plymouth Prowler. If I were to base car popularity based solely on people coming up to ask about the car, his would win hands down and you'd assume (naturally) that Plymouth just couldn't manufacture enough to keep up with demand. There's a huge difference between attention-grabbing looks to a vehicle that will have people stop you and ask about it and what people will actually buy when it comes time to buy their next car. You should give sashank_1509 enough credit to be able to distinguish between the jokey/mocking questions your friend's Prowler gets, and the enthusiastic ones he reports receiving. >It's tempting to point to its position as #3 overall as an overwhelming success There is no other way to spin a $100K car being the #3 overall EV vehicle of any type other than a success, especially given that a) #1 and #2 are also Tesla vehicles, and b) one of them was the world's best-selling car of any kind, EV or not, in 2023.

sabbaticaldev 2y ago
> There is no other way to spin a $100K car being the #3 overall EV vehicle of any type other than a success, especially given that they have the US government block competition
- Sabinus 2y ago
  Only from China. Non-communist non-dumping, friendly states are welcome to compete.
  - tredre3 2y ago
    50% of Telsas are made in China. China built Teslas are noticeably better built, too. Welcome to reality.
    - Sabinus 2y ago
      >they have the US government block competition >Only from China. Non-communist non-dumping, friendly states are welcome to compete. >50% of Telsas are made in China. China built Teslas are noticeably better built, too. Please explain how your comment relates to mine, because I see no connection.
  - Qwertious 2y ago
    People keep assuming China is only successful because they're dumping, and miss the elephant in the room: China went all-in on EVs over a decade ago, while we were fucking about with hybrids and maybe-just-stick-with-ICE. They have world-class batteries and insatiable domestic demand and it's been that way since before Tesla, what if China is undercutting us because their cars are just better? In that case our tarrifs are just protectionism, is what.
    - cvalka 2y ago
      100℅
    - Sabinus 2y ago
      >They have world-class batteries and insatiable domestic demand Excellent, then they won't have an issue with losing their export markets to tariffs, because they can just sell their EVs to the "insatiable demand" of the local consumers. >what if China is undercutting us because their cars are just better Price/performance they ARE better, China can produce cheaper because of their years of (government aided) investments and economies of scale. Of course, we aren't obligated to buy from belligerent states engaging in strategic mercantilism producing the goods of the future. We aren't obligated to prop up the Chinese export-oriented economic model in pursuit of one generation of cheap EV cars.
      - sabbaticaldev 2y ago
        > excellent, then they won't have an issue with losing their export markets to tariffs, because they can just sell their EVs to the "insatiable demand" of the local consumers. that’s what happened but the point in discussion here is why Tesla does not have competition in the US and the answer is simple
        Sabinus 2y ago
        The answer above was apparently 'protectionism'. If we're only putting tariffs on EV cars from one country, then how is protectionism the simple answer?
_yb2s 2y ago
I doubt the prowler was getting mocking comments… they are a cool looking unique vehicle. People didn’t buy many for the same reason most people don’t buy an actual 1930s roadster they’re based on: they’re expensive and impractical- even as a sports car you can get a Porsche for much less money that will outperform it and can still fit a bag of groceries.

by TMWNN 2y ago

sabbaticaldev 2y ago

> There is no other way to spin a $100K car being the #3 overall EV vehicle of any type other than a success, especially given that they have the US government block competition

Sabinus 2y ago
Only from China. Non-communist non-dumping, friendly states are welcome to compete.
- tredre3 2y ago
  50% of Telsas are made in China. China built Teslas are noticeably better built, too. Welcome to reality.
  - Sabinus 2y ago
    >they have the US government block competition >Only from China. Non-communist non-dumping, friendly states are welcome to compete. >50% of Telsas are made in China. China built Teslas are noticeably better built, too. Please explain how your comment relates to mine, because I see no connection.
- Qwertious 2y ago
  People keep assuming China is only successful because they're dumping, and miss the elephant in the room: China went all-in on EVs over a decade ago, while we were fucking about with hybrids and maybe-just-stick-with-ICE. They have world-class batteries and insatiable domestic demand and it's been that way since before Tesla, what if China is undercutting us because their cars are just better? In that case our tarrifs are just protectionism, is what.
  - cvalka 2y ago
    100℅
  - Sabinus 2y ago
    >They have world-class batteries and insatiable domestic demand Excellent, then they won't have an issue with losing their export markets to tariffs, because they can just sell their EVs to the "insatiable demand" of the local consumers. >what if China is undercutting us because their cars are just better Price/performance they ARE better, China can produce cheaper because of their years of (government aided) investments and economies of scale. Of course, we aren't obligated to buy from belligerent states engaging in strategic mercantilism producing the goods of the future. We aren't obligated to prop up the Chinese export-oriented economic model in pursuit of one generation of cheap EV cars.
    - sabbaticaldev 2y ago
      > excellent, then they won't have an issue with losing their export markets to tariffs, because they can just sell their EVs to the "insatiable demand" of the local consumers. that’s what happened but the point in discussion here is why Tesla does not have competition in the US and the answer is simple
      - Sabinus 2y ago
        The answer above was apparently 'protectionism'. If we're only putting tariffs on EV cars from one country, then how is protectionism the simple answer?

_yb2s 2y ago

I doubt the prowler was getting mocking comments… they are a cool looking unique vehicle. People didn’t buy many for the same reason most people don’t buy an actual 1930s roadster they’re based on: they’re expensive and impractical- even as a sports car you can get a Porsche for much less money that will outperform it and can still fit a bag of groceries.