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Millennial Snot

3 points by indy 2y ago

ggm 2y ago
Feel like I want to say tu coque. Fallacy or not, one would surely recognise that it is a tango where both dancers are walking, not just the libs. But this authors goal is to say, imply it's a story of failure to mature by SJW and not somehow, actually "both sides" but I am afraid snot is pretty evenly spread about here. Never thought I'd miss William Buckley but at least he was a literate intellect, capable of discerning the beams in his own eyes as he battered the motes of the left.
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  Looking back to our greco-hyphenated heritage, Aristotle mentioned (ca ~300BC) TFA's genus of hypocrisy: https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0054%3Abekker%20page%3D1124b https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext... > ...such men, being unable to carry their prosperity, and thinking themselves superior to the rest of mankind, despise other people, although their own conduct is no better than another's. The fact is that they try to imitate the great-souled man without being really like him, and only copy him in what they can, reproducing his contempt for others but not his virtuous conduct.
  - ggm 2y ago
    Yes. Well said. Apposite. But we should also remember the Greeks and Roamans excelled in extreme acts of libel against their opposition, it was normalised for them to allege acts which even Trump can only dream of committing. Pussy grabbing would be the least of if.
    - 082349872349872 2y ago
      Catallus 16 as a precursor to gangsta rap? Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus (pace Peri blasphemion) as a precursor to tabloid/meme politics? Exercise: score Trump against Aristotle's desiderata for the "great-souled man" in the Nichomachean Ethics [EDIT: I get ~1/25, giving full marks for "He must be open both in love and in hate"]
      - gradschoolfail 2y ago
        Your score for Great souled foxes, great souled lions, great souled foxes with lion skin, great souled lions with fox-skins? Mongoose (“RL” examples allowed) ?) [subsequente exercise would be applying scoring to Philodemus’ (note: fully cosmopolitan) patches]
        082349872349872 2y ago
        For mongoose I'll have to reread RTT first... Assuming everyone gets full marks except for necessary* dings: foxes 15 A lions 22 B leonine foxes 15 AB +haughty +at will vulpine lions 18 AB ++ambition +at will * Those in skins are get dings from both sides (AB) but in order to play their public persona must have some desiderata added back. (they are also not living at someone else's will, or they wouldn't be wearing the skin) A: It is also characteristic of the great-souled man never to ask help from others and to be haughty towards men of position and fortune, He must be open both in love and in hate and care more for the truth than for what people will think; and speak and act openly He will be incapable of living at the will of another, unless a friend, He is not prone to admiration, since nothing is great to him. He is no gossip, B: He will not compete for the common objects of ambition, or go where other people take the first place He will be incapable of living at the will of another, unless a friend, EDIT: Rikki, the valiant, the true, Tikki, with eyeballs of flame: pure lion (22); vs Nag & Nagaina: pure fox (15) Note that as a good Victorian, Rikki goes where other people take the first place: ...he sat on all their laps one after the other, because every well-brought-up mongoose always hopes to be a house-mongoose some day and have rooms to run about in, and Rikki-tikki's mother (she used to live in the General's house at Segowlee) had carefully told Rikki what to do if ever he came across white men.
        082349872349872 2y ago
        I spoke too soon; been thinking about RTT and it is subtler (and I have more appreciation for Kipling's crafting)... - (at the bush) RTT lion, Nagaina lion, Nag vulpine lion (...he wanted to get Rikki-tikki off his guard. So he dropped his head a little ... "Let us talk,"...) - (bath-room) RTT lion, Nag lion - (melon patch) RTT lion, Darzee's wife fox - (verandah) RTT lion, Nagaina vulpine lion (I will go away and never come back; He had forgotten the egg. ... and Nagaina came nearer and nearer to it...) - (rat-hole) RTT lion, Nagaina lion I guess most likely in real life would've been the negative-sum end of a chess game: RTT and Nagaina would've killed each other's family before meeting, but Kipling does anticipate this, and has Darzee's wife report that Nagaina didn't follow her to the bush (maybe having been vulpine enough to be suspicious of Darzee's wife's "broken" wing; maybe just having seen the humans on the verandah?) For someone whose current reputation is jingoistic, Kipling's female characters (pace Teddy's mother) here are more formidable than their mates.
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3 points by indy 2y ago

ggm 2y ago

Feel like I want to say tu coque. Fallacy or not, one would surely recognise that it is a tango where both dancers are walking, not just the libs. But this authors goal is to say, imply it's a story of failure to mature by SJW and not somehow, actually "both sides" but I am afraid snot is pretty evenly spread about here. Never thought I'd miss William Buckley but at least he was a literate intellect, capable of discerning the beams in his own eyes as he battered the motes of the left.

082349872349872 2y ago
Looking back to our greco-hyphenated heritage, Aristotle mentioned (ca ~300BC) TFA's genus of hypocrisy: https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0054%3Abekker%20page%3D1124b https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus%3Atext... > ...such men, being unable to carry their prosperity, and thinking themselves superior to the rest of mankind, despise other people, although their own conduct is no better than another's. The fact is that they try to imitate the great-souled man without being really like him, and only copy him in what they can, reproducing his contempt for others but not his virtuous conduct.
- ggm 2y ago
  Yes. Well said. Apposite. But we should also remember the Greeks and Roamans excelled in extreme acts of libel against their opposition, it was normalised for them to allege acts which even Trump can only dream of committing. Pussy grabbing would be the least of if.
  - 082349872349872 2y ago
    Catallus 16 as a precursor to gangsta rap? Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus (pace Peri blasphemion) as a precursor to tabloid/meme politics? Exercise: score Trump against Aristotle's desiderata for the "great-souled man" in the Nichomachean Ethics [EDIT: I get ~1/25, giving full marks for "He must be open both in love and in hate"]
    - gradschoolfail 2y ago
      Your score for Great souled foxes, great souled lions, great souled foxes with lion skin, great souled lions with fox-skins? Mongoose (“RL” examples allowed) ?) [subsequente exercise would be applying scoring to Philodemus’ (note: fully cosmopolitan) patches]
      - 082349872349872 2y ago
        For mongoose I'll have to reread RTT first... Assuming everyone gets full marks except for necessary* dings: foxes 15 A lions 22 B leonine foxes 15 AB +haughty +at will vulpine lions 18 AB ++ambition +at will * Those in skins are get dings from both sides (AB) but in order to play their public persona must have some desiderata added back. (they are also not living at someone else's will, or they wouldn't be wearing the skin) A: It is also characteristic of the great-souled man never to ask help from others and to be haughty towards men of position and fortune, He must be open both in love and in hate and care more for the truth than for what people will think; and speak and act openly He will be incapable of living at the will of another, unless a friend, He is not prone to admiration, since nothing is great to him. He is no gossip, B: He will not compete for the common objects of ambition, or go where other people take the first place He will be incapable of living at the will of another, unless a friend, EDIT: Rikki, the valiant, the true, Tikki, with eyeballs of flame: pure lion (22); vs Nag & Nagaina: pure fox (15) Note that as a good Victorian, Rikki goes where other people take the first place: ...he sat on all their laps one after the other, because every well-brought-up mongoose always hopes to be a house-mongoose some day and have rooms to run about in, and Rikki-tikki's mother (she used to live in the General's house at Segowlee) had carefully told Rikki what to do if ever he came across white men.
        082349872349872 2y ago
        I spoke too soon; been thinking about RTT and it is subtler (and I have more appreciation for Kipling's crafting)... - (at the bush) RTT lion, Nagaina lion, Nag vulpine lion (...he wanted to get Rikki-tikki off his guard. So he dropped his head a little ... "Let us talk,"...) - (bath-room) RTT lion, Nag lion - (melon patch) RTT lion, Darzee's wife fox - (verandah) RTT lion, Nagaina vulpine lion (I will go away and never come back; He had forgotten the egg. ... and Nagaina came nearer and nearer to it...) - (rat-hole) RTT lion, Nagaina lion I guess most likely in real life would've been the negative-sum end of a chess game: RTT and Nagaina would've killed each other's family before meeting, but Kipling does anticipate this, and has Darzee's wife report that Nagaina didn't follow her to the bush (maybe having been vulpine enough to be suspicious of Darzee's wife's "broken" wing; maybe just having seen the humans on the verandah?) For someone whose current reputation is jingoistic, Kipling's female characters (pace Teddy's mother) here are more formidable than their mates.

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