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Losing parentheses is not an issue for any Lisp programmer. I remind you this is HN, guess on what was built on. >non-free software Non-free software should

by anthk 2y ago

Losing parentheses is not an issue for any Lisp programmer. I remind you this is HN, guess on what was built on. >non-free software Non-free software should be the issue, not Guix itself. Not free software by default is NOT reproducible. Period. Useless for science.

agubelu 2y ago
The reproducibility crisis in science has nothing to do with the supporting software itself not being reproducible.
- anthk 2y ago
  Both are needed. Look what happened with Excel in genomics. Once you can control every point of the pipeline, you are set. That means a discrete set of versions, dependencies and being able to rebuild and fix every point of software if bugs show up.
poincaredisk 2y ago
>Non-free software should be the issue, not Guix itself Not the parent, but this approach from Guix maintainers is the reason why it's not an OS I would consider. I use free software almost exclusively, but I appreciate that nixos doesn't try to play the moral police and will let me easily run any non-free software I want. I don't like it, but sometimes using a non free tool is the easiest way to get the job done, and life is too short to get stuck on software idealism (at least for me).
- opan 2y ago
  You are free to use non-free software on Guix System, it's just not in the main channel or officially recommended. You'd likely figure it out fast enough if you wanted.
viraptor 2y ago
> Not free software by default is NOT reproducible. Changing a licence on some software doesn't change the compilation. The licence is completely orthogonal to whether software is reproducible or not.
- anthk 2y ago
  How do I recompile binary blobs?
  - viraptor 2y ago
    Non-free does not mean compiled. Here's a non-free script which I grant you the right to view but not execute or copy: echo foobar Reproducible, compiled and free are all orthogonal.
  - kazinator 2y ago
    You don't. So the blob that is packaged and installed is identical to the one in the repository. Hence, it has no reproducibility issue.

by anthk 2y ago

agubelu 2y ago

The reproducibility crisis in science has nothing to do with the supporting software itself not being reproducible.

anthk 2y ago
Both are needed. Look what happened with Excel in genomics. Once you can control every point of the pipeline, you are set. That means a discrete set of versions, dependencies and being able to rebuild and fix every point of software if bugs show up.

poincaredisk 2y ago

>Non-free software should be the issue, not Guix itself Not the parent, but this approach from Guix maintainers is the reason why it's not an OS I would consider. I use free software almost exclusively, but I appreciate that nixos doesn't try to play the moral police and will let me easily run any non-free software I want. I don't like it, but sometimes using a non free tool is the easiest way to get the job done, and life is too short to get stuck on software idealism (at least for me).

opan 2y ago
You are free to use non-free software on Guix System, it's just not in the main channel or officially recommended. You'd likely figure it out fast enough if you wanted.

viraptor 2y ago

> Not free software by default is NOT reproducible. Changing a licence on some software doesn't change the compilation. The licence is completely orthogonal to whether software is reproducible or not.

anthk 2y ago
How do I recompile binary blobs?
- viraptor 2y ago
  Non-free does not mean compiled. Here's a non-free script which I grant you the right to view but not execute or copy: echo foobar Reproducible, compiled and free are all orthogonal.
- kazinator 2y ago
  You don't. So the blob that is packaged and installed is identical to the one in the repository. Hence, it has no reproducibility issue.