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The OP does not take issue with the algorithm part, but the claim of decentralization. I'm currently running my own instance of an ActivityPub server (GoToSocia

by rsolva 2y ago

The OP does not take issue with the algorithm part, but the claim of decentralization. I'm currently running my own instance of an ActivityPub server (GoToSocial), just for me, and it works like a charm. I would not know how to do the same with BlueSky, and I have tried to understand how.

brianolson 2y ago
If you want to dedicate a VM to it, bsky Personal Data Server has a pretty easy install https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds
pfraze 2y ago
If you’re trying to self host your account, you follow https://atproto.com/guides/self-hosting https://atproto.com/guides/self-hosting If you’re trying to build an application, you follow https://atproto.com/guides/applications https://atproto.com/guides/applications If you’re looking to run the bluesky application, you need to run the codebases in https://github.com/bluesky-social https://github.com/bluesky-social.
- rsolva 2y ago
  Thanks, it's been a while since I last looked into it. Will my self-hosted account be able to talk directly to other self-hosted BlueSky accounts?
  - pfraze 2y ago
    Yep!
    - yewey 2y ago
      and will a bunch of hostile feminists be able to place derogatory "labels" on my self hosted account or put me on nasty and rudely named lists branding me a right winger or a transmysoginist or whatever like they currently do on bluesky?
      - slater 2y ago
        If you are any of those things, it doesn't hurt to warn others! hth
      - stjacobs 2y ago
        [dead]
      - afiori 2y ago
        My understanding is that users and third-parties can offer various moderation services that users can subscribe to. So anyone can label/mislabel/ban/block anyone else, but everyone can chose whose labels/mislabels/bans/blocks to follow
- Matl 2y ago
  If mastodon.social shuts down tomorrow, my own instance continues to operate fully independently. For PDS is that true? If bsky.app shuts down, will my PDS be able to function as an independent instance incl the web frontend etc.?
  - steveklabnik 2y ago
    A PDS is an independent data store of everything you’ve done with atproto. If bsky.app shuts down, and you’ve self hosted your PDS (or created one and migrated your records over by replaying them from the network) you could spin up your own copy of bsky and continue on as normal.
    - apitman 2y ago
      The main caveat to this currently is that someone would have to run an alternative to https://plc.directory https://plc.directory, and everyone else would have to agree which one to switch to. I'll be a lot more comfortable with atproto once the directory has moved to a non profit like ICANN (as @pfraze mentions), or a different DID method gains wide adoption.
      - stevenicr 2y ago
        Is this a thing that is easily discoverable in settings where people can choose to use a different directory? OR is this buried and hard to find or know it could be a thing?
        Natanael_L 2y ago
        It's currently built into the applications, not configurable by default. It's preferable if everybody in a thread / space / community uses the same one because otherwise differences can cause validation failures and conflict and thus break threads, resulting in that people can't follow many discussions, thus applications don't really expose it. It's the kind of thing where it's preferable that either everybody switch at once, or that new applications with different "lexicon" (post types / social media format) picks a new default from the start.

by rsolva 2y ago

brianolson 2y ago

If you want to dedicate a VM to it, bsky Personal Data Server has a pretty easy install https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds https://github.com/bluesky-social/pds

pfraze 2y ago

If you’re trying to self host your account, you follow https://atproto.com/guides/self-hosting https://atproto.com/guides/self-hosting If you’re trying to build an application, you follow https://atproto.com/guides/applications https://atproto.com/guides/applications If you’re looking to run the bluesky application, you need to run the codebases in https://github.com/bluesky-social https://github.com/bluesky-social.

rsolva 2y ago
Thanks, it's been a while since I last looked into it. Will my self-hosted account be able to talk directly to other self-hosted BlueSky accounts?
- pfraze 2y ago
  Yep!
  - yewey 2y ago
    and will a bunch of hostile feminists be able to place derogatory "labels" on my self hosted account or put me on nasty and rudely named lists branding me a right winger or a transmysoginist or whatever like they currently do on bluesky?
    - slater 2y ago
      If you are any of those things, it doesn't hurt to warn others! hth
    - stjacobs 2y ago
      [dead]
    - afiori 2y ago
      My understanding is that users and third-parties can offer various moderation services that users can subscribe to. So anyone can label/mislabel/ban/block anyone else, but everyone can chose whose labels/mislabels/bans/blocks to follow
Matl 2y ago
If mastodon.social shuts down tomorrow, my own instance continues to operate fully independently. For PDS is that true? If bsky.app shuts down, will my PDS be able to function as an independent instance incl the web frontend etc.?
- steveklabnik 2y ago
  A PDS is an independent data store of everything you’ve done with atproto. If bsky.app shuts down, and you’ve self hosted your PDS (or created one and migrated your records over by replaying them from the network) you could spin up your own copy of bsky and continue on as normal.
  - apitman 2y ago
    The main caveat to this currently is that someone would have to run an alternative to https://plc.directory https://plc.directory, and everyone else would have to agree which one to switch to. I'll be a lot more comfortable with atproto once the directory has moved to a non profit like ICANN (as @pfraze mentions), or a different DID method gains wide adoption.
    - stevenicr 2y ago
      Is this a thing that is easily discoverable in settings where people can choose to use a different directory? OR is this buried and hard to find or know it could be a thing?
      - Natanael_L 2y ago
        It's currently built into the applications, not configurable by default. It's preferable if everybody in a thread / space / community uses the same one because otherwise differences can cause validation failures and conflict and thus break threads, resulting in that people can't follow many discussions, thus applications don't really expose it. It's the kind of thing where it's preferable that either everybody switch at once, or that new applications with different "lexicon" (post types / social media format) picks a new default from the start.