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> BlueSky's big claim is [they have] "no algorithm". https://bsky.social/about/blog/3-30-2023-algorithmic-choice https://bsky.social/about/blog/3-30-2023-algor

> BlueSky's big claim is [they have] "no algorithm". https://bsky.social/about/blog/3-30-2023-algorithmic-choice https://bsky.social/about/blog/3-30-2023-algorithmic-choice Over a year ago, a blog claiming the opposite > But the actual BlueSky app does not implement DIDs. It's called "did-placeholder" on their github. It's a stub. It's TBD. It's not a feature, it's a feature request. AFAIK People with did:web dids can make accounts and use bluesky > And guess who just bought a seat on BlueSky's board with a $15M Series A round? That's right, a crypto vulture named Blockchain Capital. And one of the first investors was Jack Dorsey. They've used libraries and concepts that are only vogue amongst those with cryptography/cryptocurrency interests. This is not new, this is always been the case. - - - A person, any person, can join the relevant developer chats, or find and ask people who are working on or have brought up their own servers, about how centralized or decentralized bsky is, but that does not seem to be the case for this person's research.

pxoe 2y ago
what does have a "big claim" that they have "no algorithm" is mastodon, which says so on its joinmastodon.org page and in its instance blurb. which just so obviously could not even possibly be true.
- cuu508 2y ago
  The news feed in Mastodon is chronologic, it includes all posts from the accounts you follow (and have not muted).
  - Kye 2y ago
    Chronological sorting is an algorithm. You don't hear its dissenters as much, but it's not without issue. It's not always the best way to present things.
    - j_maffe 2y ago
      Repeating my comment here because some people are deliberately stick manning this argument: > In the context of social media, people mean highly optimized algorithms for maximum retention.
      - alpaca128 2y ago
        There's nothing stopping a platform from being correct both ways by saying "we use no manipulative algorithm" or something along those lines. It may be pedantic to point out that "no algorithm" is wrong, but it is in fact wrong and it's not hard to communicate both clearly and correctly.
        j_maffe 2y ago
        I agree that not using manipulative algorithms is the best, more nuanced, goal. However, most people would not trust such a statement from a platform with clear conflict of interest in manipulative algorithms. Chronological ordering is simple (and testable) enough that anyone can trust it is not tampered with in any way.
        BlueTemplar 2y ago
        It does help a lot that Mastodon is not a platform.
      - Kye 2y ago
        I don't know what "stick manning" is and I don't appreciate the claim I'm doing it deliberately when I don't even know what it is. Don't assume everyone who disagrees with you is some insincere agitator who's hip to whatever weird debate shibboleths you've glommed on to. I was simply informing you that: * Chronological is an algorithm * It, like all ways of sorting feeds, has its own controversies
        relaxing 2y ago
        Making obtuse, pedantic statements makes you seem like an insincere agitator.
  - pxoe 2y ago
    it's not even the follows feed, but suggestions and explore with its sections. like, explore feed of posts is just straight up an algorithmic assembly of posts. (looking at mastodon.social, "the original server") the explore feed has a blurb about "how it ranks posts" which is literally next to their "no algorithms in sight" tagline. do they think their users are stupid? or are they just fine with making such obvious lies?
davexunit 2y ago
did:web is not a decentralized identifier. My understanding is that it was made for test suites but was taken out of that context for production uses.
- its-summertime 2y ago
  While true, it aligns with did:web's goals with relation to services. Something the user can use to port themself across services, without the involvement of an app-specific discovery service. As a result, if did:web can be well integrated into bluesky itself (it works across AT Proto already AFAIK, just not all parts of Bluesky's GUI, a current pain point), that should open the path to add additional discovery mechanisms like IPNS

pxoe 2y ago

what does have a "big claim" that they have "no algorithm" is mastodon, which says so on its joinmastodon.org page and in its instance blurb. which just so obviously could not even possibly be true.

cuu508 2y ago
The news feed in Mastodon is chronologic, it includes all posts from the accounts you follow (and have not muted).
- Kye 2y ago
  Chronological sorting is an algorithm. You don't hear its dissenters as much, but it's not without issue. It's not always the best way to present things.
  - j_maffe 2y ago
    Repeating my comment here because some people are deliberately stick manning this argument: > In the context of social media, people mean highly optimized algorithms for maximum retention.
    - alpaca128 2y ago
      There's nothing stopping a platform from being correct both ways by saying "we use no manipulative algorithm" or something along those lines. It may be pedantic to point out that "no algorithm" is wrong, but it is in fact wrong and it's not hard to communicate both clearly and correctly.
      - j_maffe 2y ago
        I agree that not using manipulative algorithms is the best, more nuanced, goal. However, most people would not trust such a statement from a platform with clear conflict of interest in manipulative algorithms. Chronological ordering is simple (and testable) enough that anyone can trust it is not tampered with in any way.
        BlueTemplar 2y ago
        It does help a lot that Mastodon is not a platform.
    - Kye 2y ago
      I don't know what "stick manning" is and I don't appreciate the claim I'm doing it deliberately when I don't even know what it is. Don't assume everyone who disagrees with you is some insincere agitator who's hip to whatever weird debate shibboleths you've glommed on to. I was simply informing you that: * Chronological is an algorithm * It, like all ways of sorting feeds, has its own controversies
      - relaxing 2y ago
        Making obtuse, pedantic statements makes you seem like an insincere agitator.
- pxoe 2y ago
  it's not even the follows feed, but suggestions and explore with its sections. like, explore feed of posts is just straight up an algorithmic assembly of posts. (looking at mastodon.social, "the original server") the explore feed has a blurb about "how it ranks posts" which is literally next to their "no algorithms in sight" tagline. do they think their users are stupid? or are they just fine with making such obvious lies?

davexunit 2y ago

did:web is not a decentralized identifier. My understanding is that it was made for test suites but was taken out of that context for production uses.

its-summertime 2y ago
While true, it aligns with did:web's goals with relation to services. Something the user can use to port themself across services, without the involvement of an app-specific discovery service. As a result, if did:web can be well integrated into bluesky itself (it works across AT Proto already AFAIK, just not all parts of Bluesky's GUI, a current pain point), that should open the path to add additional discovery mechanisms like IPNS