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Bluesky's marketing is rather annoying on my opinion. They're not defederated in practice and they probably never will be, but that's okay. People don't want a

Bluesky's marketing is rather annoying on my opinion. They're not defederated in practice and they probably never will be, but that's okay. People don't want a new Mastodon, they want a new Twitter after Musk fucked that up worse than ever. Their promises of portability may ring empty but so far their lack of AI algorithm and ad feeds are what people actually come to Bluesky for If you want federation, ActivityPub is there and ready to go. You could probably hack together a bidirectional Bluesky <-> Mastodon bridge without too much effort (requiring an account on BS to post from Mastodon) and enjoy the portability of your main account while also being able to follow your friends and such on BS.

exodust 2y ago
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- threeseed 2y ago
  I just tried signing up for X using a new account. 99% ultra-right wing political content with obscene amounts of overt racism, anti-semitism etc. Even though when it asked for my interests politics wasn't even an option.
  - exodust 2y ago
    "99%"... sure. So just follow the accounts you're interested in? If you just signed up, how does the "for you" know what you like? You can spend all day on X and never see any of that stuff you mention. Do you prefer "ultra-left wing" content? There's plenty on X, including angry marxists, anti-capitalists, de-colonisers, race-baiters, compulsive virtue-signallers, tantrum-throwers, Musk-haters, dis-information trolls, intifada-fascists, take your pick! I remember back when Trump was president, every single post he made on Twitter had a torrent of abusive replies bubbling to the top. Even ordinary mundane posts about routine things happening in government were met with endless insult-memes. Surely you don't think Twitter was once a place where inflammatory posts were rare and everyone had good manners?
    - defrost 2y ago
      > race-baiters, compulsive virtue-signallers, tantrum-throwers, dis-information trolls, are hardly exclusive "ultra-left wing" users, arguably there's more of that to the far-right .. and that's just Tucker Carlson on a slow day. > Even ordinary mundane posts about routine things happening in government In your honest opinion, if Trump only ever made ordinary mundane statements about the routine day to day functions of government would there be anything like the level of anti-Trump anger exhibited? Is it possible the insult-memes are an unsuprising result of a tendancy to praise Hitlers Generals, demonise the people he should work with as "the enemy within", suggest removing licences from news organisations he objects to, etc?
      - exodust 2y ago
        You've gone off topic. I have no interest in rating politicians or their rhetoric. All are guilty at one time or another of gross exaggeration, mud-slinging, spin, etc. The point is/was regarding X, you can enjoy all the hate-memes towards your favourite enemy. Or just follow posts about Unreal Engine or ancient history or announcements from politicians etc. Follow your favourite Marxists! Or don't follow them. Anything is possible. But whatever you do, don't whinge about "Musk ruined Twitter". That's disinformation of sorts, since as I just explained, you can sign up to X and do whatever you want - read only, post pictures of paint drying, poke fun at celebrities, advocate for animal rights. Up to you.
GaryNumanVevo 2y ago
see: BridgyFed
MiguelX413 2y ago
I ultimately came to the conclusion that both those who advocated for the fediverse as a Twitter replacement and those who complained that it was inadequate as a Twitter replacement were both wrong. People don't need “a Twitter” in the first place. It's a terrible website designed to maximize engagement, including negative engagement, for its profit. I quite agree with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38445649 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38445649
- threeseed 2y ago
  > terrible website designed to maximize engagement It really does show why engagement should never be monetised. It's just full of fight videos, repackaged memes, controversial takes etc. all designed to get some extra money for the poster. Even VCs and the startup community gets in on it.
innocentoldguy 2y ago
How did Musk "fuck [Twitter] up worse than ever"? It has more functionality and is more stable since Musk bought it.
- bbor 2y ago
  Source? AFAIK it is not more stable: https://www.thousandeyes.com/blog/internet-report-twitter-to-x-outages-performance https://www.thousandeyes.com/blog/internet-report-twitter-to... Twitter appears to be an outlier in that respect. Instead of displaying the usual post-acquisition stability, ThousandEyes’ data indicates that the number and frequency of outages did increase commensurate with the acquisition. If we compare the two periods (pre- and post-acquisition), it’s apparent that there were fewer and less frequent outages prior to the purchase. And “more functionality”… I guess time continues marching forward so there are some new things, but nothing game changing IMO. The creator economy on there is nonexistent, and changing the color of the checkmarks from blue to grey seems like a lateral move.
  - innocentoldguy 2y ago
    Nothing game-changing? How about: • Long-form content • Video streaming • Grok • Ability to edit posts • Bookmarks • Communities • Better verification system • Encrypted direct messages • Cashtag feature • Bold and italic text formatting • Open-sourced algorithm • Premium features • Improved search • Improved analytics for content creators • And most importantly, less First-Amendment violations in secret partnership with the federal government
    - bbor 2y ago
      Thanks for the reply! That's a good list. Of those, I would break them down accordingly: - Cool new features - Encrypted direct messages - Video streaming - Ability to edit posts - Communities (IDK what this but it sounds cool) - Bookmarks - Cashtag feature (?) - Improved analytics for content creators - Trivial decisions about policy - Long-form content - Bold and italic text formatting - Untrue, or at least unverified - Better verification system (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-confusion-and-risks-surrounding-twitters-verified-account-changes, https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/24/tech/musk-twitter-blue-check-mark/index.html) - Open-sourced algorithm (https://www.wired.com/story/twitters-open-source-algorithm-is-a-red-herring/) - Premium features (?) - Improved search (?) - Same shit different day - Grok Which, tbf, is a lot more cool features than I was giving them credit for! I still think the whole 'nazi' and 'arbitrary moderation' thing outweighs those changes by a lot, but they did add stuff.

exodust 2y ago

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threeseed 2y ago
I just tried signing up for X using a new account. 99% ultra-right wing political content with obscene amounts of overt racism, anti-semitism etc. Even though when it asked for my interests politics wasn't even an option.
- exodust 2y ago
  "99%"... sure. So just follow the accounts you're interested in? If you just signed up, how does the "for you" know what you like? You can spend all day on X and never see any of that stuff you mention. Do you prefer "ultra-left wing" content? There's plenty on X, including angry marxists, anti-capitalists, de-colonisers, race-baiters, compulsive virtue-signallers, tantrum-throwers, Musk-haters, dis-information trolls, intifada-fascists, take your pick! I remember back when Trump was president, every single post he made on Twitter had a torrent of abusive replies bubbling to the top. Even ordinary mundane posts about routine things happening in government were met with endless insult-memes. Surely you don't think Twitter was once a place where inflammatory posts were rare and everyone had good manners?
  - defrost 2y ago
    > race-baiters, compulsive virtue-signallers, tantrum-throwers, dis-information trolls, are hardly exclusive "ultra-left wing" users, arguably there's more of that to the far-right .. and that's just Tucker Carlson on a slow day. > Even ordinary mundane posts about routine things happening in government In your honest opinion, if Trump only ever made ordinary mundane statements about the routine day to day functions of government would there be anything like the level of anti-Trump anger exhibited? Is it possible the insult-memes are an unsuprising result of a tendancy to praise Hitlers Generals, demonise the people he should work with as "the enemy within", suggest removing licences from news organisations he objects to, etc?
    - exodust 2y ago
      You've gone off topic. I have no interest in rating politicians or their rhetoric. All are guilty at one time or another of gross exaggeration, mud-slinging, spin, etc. The point is/was regarding X, you can enjoy all the hate-memes towards your favourite enemy. Or just follow posts about Unreal Engine or ancient history or announcements from politicians etc. Follow your favourite Marxists! Or don't follow them. Anything is possible. But whatever you do, don't whinge about "Musk ruined Twitter". That's disinformation of sorts, since as I just explained, you can sign up to X and do whatever you want - read only, post pictures of paint drying, poke fun at celebrities, advocate for animal rights. Up to you.

GaryNumanVevo 2y ago

see: BridgyFed

MiguelX413 2y ago

I ultimately came to the conclusion that both those who advocated for the fediverse as a Twitter replacement and those who complained that it was inadequate as a Twitter replacement were both wrong. People don't need “a Twitter” in the first place. It's a terrible website designed to maximize engagement, including negative engagement, for its profit. I quite agree with https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38445649 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38445649

threeseed 2y ago
> terrible website designed to maximize engagement It really does show why engagement should never be monetised. It's just full of fight videos, repackaged memes, controversial takes etc. all designed to get some extra money for the poster. Even VCs and the startup community gets in on it.

innocentoldguy 2y ago

How did Musk "fuck [Twitter] up worse than ever"? It has more functionality and is more stable since Musk bought it.

bbor 2y ago
Source? AFAIK it is not more stable: https://www.thousandeyes.com/blog/internet-report-twitter-to-x-outages-performance https://www.thousandeyes.com/blog/internet-report-twitter-to... Twitter appears to be an outlier in that respect. Instead of displaying the usual post-acquisition stability, ThousandEyes’ data indicates that the number and frequency of outages did increase commensurate with the acquisition. If we compare the two periods (pre- and post-acquisition), it’s apparent that there were fewer and less frequent outages prior to the purchase. And “more functionality”… I guess time continues marching forward so there are some new things, but nothing game changing IMO. The creator economy on there is nonexistent, and changing the color of the checkmarks from blue to grey seems like a lateral move.
- innocentoldguy 2y ago
  Nothing game-changing? How about: • Long-form content • Video streaming • Grok • Ability to edit posts • Bookmarks • Communities • Better verification system • Encrypted direct messages • Cashtag feature • Bold and italic text formatting • Open-sourced algorithm • Premium features • Improved search • Improved analytics for content creators • And most importantly, less First-Amendment violations in secret partnership with the federal government
  - bbor 2y ago
    Thanks for the reply! That's a good list. Of those, I would break them down accordingly: - Cool new features - Encrypted direct messages - Video streaming - Ability to edit posts - Communities (IDK what this but it sounds cool) - Bookmarks - Cashtag feature (?) - Improved analytics for content creators - Trivial decisions about policy - Long-form content - Bold and italic text formatting - Untrue, or at least unverified - Better verification system (https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/the-confusion-and-risks-surrounding-twitters-verified-account-changes, https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/24/tech/musk-twitter-blue-check-mark/index.html) - Open-sourced algorithm (https://www.wired.com/story/twitters-open-source-algorithm-is-a-red-herring/) - Premium features (?) - Improved search (?) - Same shit different day - Grok Which, tbf, is a lot more cool features than I was giving them credit for! I still think the whole 'nazi' and 'arbitrary moderation' thing outweighs those changes by a lot, but they did add stuff.