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> Current rules in the DMCA restrict libraries and repositories of old games to one person at a time, in person. Countdown to Internet Archive getting sued on

> Current rules in the DMCA restrict libraries and repositories of old games to one person at a time, in person. Countdown to Internet Archive getting sued on this one starts now. https://archive.org/details/internetarcade https://archive.org/details/internetarcade

beej71 2y ago
I give IA money every month, and I encourage everyone to do the same. I understand that the current state of copyright put them on thin- to no-ice. But that shouldn't be the case, IMHO. It's a net gain for the universe to let them loan these out-of-print materials. Publishers are working hard to make sure it's very expensive or impossible to do Internet lending. And Internet lending is exactly what the future of libraries should be unless we want to be stuck in a perpetually diminishing 1990. IA is fighting the good fight against some seriously long odds.
- rightbyte 2y ago
  I think they might be pushing it too far though. Archiving software should not be allowed to threaten the internet archive?
  - mmooss 2y ago
    It's a popular criticism, but what's the conclusion? Don't fund the IA and let it die and with it the whole concept of end-user control of the things they buy, intellectual property for the masses, etc.? Also, it's popular criticism - things go wrong, the team gives up a few goals, and the bad response, the loser response, is when people start pointing fingers at each other in the locker room. The right respnose - the only one that wins - is to pull together and fight harder.
    - badlibrarian 2y ago
      If anything, the players slapping each other on the ass cheering each other on as they lose game after game seems like the problem here. Not criticism from fans. Maybe they could pick one sport -- archiving things -- and focus on that for a while? https://ncua.gov/newsroom/press-release/2016/internet-archive-federal-credit-union-pays-ncua-insured-members-shares-full https://ncua.gov/newsroom/press-release/2016/internet-archiv... https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/internet-archive-major-label-music-lawsuit-1235105273/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/internet-a...
      - mmooss 2y ago
        They rely very heavily on public support, politically and financially. You're participating in a public pile-on, which absolutely can damage them. > Maybe they could pick one sport -- archiving things -- and focus on that for a while? Archiving them without sharing them? What's the point? Certainly that's not their mission. They've been very successful with multiple projects; it's also part of pushing the envelope - part of their mission - politically, socially, and technologically. Innovative organizations have a lot failures. I think they are doing great, except for the emergency lending library, and one mistake isn't IMHO you and others are just finding fault, joining in on the sport of piling on. This is your team, and the IA is a critical resource and not, at all, a sport. Instead of treating it like one (I know the metaphor was my idea, but that's how people seem to treat it), we'd better fight for it if we want it. Who will stand up for it if not you? While you are playing social sports, who else is out there to save IA?
        badlibrarian 2y ago
        Most archives require you to visit in person. It's annoying to tech people, but there are many reasons for it that extend beyond the obvious copyright issues that Internet Archive keeps tripping over. One is that given limited resources and the endless amount of material to conserve, archive, digitize, and develop metadata for so that people in the future can even find it, things like "let's start our own financial institution" and "let's pick a fight over 78 RPM records where even Lessig says we'll probably be sued for 25x our annual budget" tend not to come up in preservation organizations. Likewise cool ideas like "how about we let the general public post comments on albums and videos and even let them post links" tend to get shot down as archivists have better things to do than police porn spam all day. Archiving sucks and is expensive and thankless so of course they want to be a library, too. Unfortunately to do so means you have to understand and follow the rules. Making copyrighted books, video game ROMS, and the most popular song of all time downloadable while asking for donations isn't how it's done. Again, things like "Let's make Donkey Kong playable in a web browser hosted at our domain" does not normally come up in discussions at libraries. It's a bunch of well-intentioned kids and I love them for it, but enough already. It's a failed experiment. Fix the strategy, put a grownup in charge of the thing, and they'll find financial support from individuals and institutions far easier to come by.
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beej71 2y ago

I give IA money every month, and I encourage everyone to do the same. I understand that the current state of copyright put them on thin- to no-ice. But that shouldn't be the case, IMHO. It's a net gain for the universe to let them loan these out-of-print materials. Publishers are working hard to make sure it's very expensive or impossible to do Internet lending. And Internet lending is exactly what the future of libraries should be unless we want to be stuck in a perpetually diminishing 1990. IA is fighting the good fight against some seriously long odds.

rightbyte 2y ago
I think they might be pushing it too far though. Archiving software should not be allowed to threaten the internet archive?
- mmooss 2y ago
  It's a popular criticism, but what's the conclusion? Don't fund the IA and let it die and with it the whole concept of end-user control of the things they buy, intellectual property for the masses, etc.? Also, it's popular criticism - things go wrong, the team gives up a few goals, and the bad response, the loser response, is when people start pointing fingers at each other in the locker room. The right respnose - the only one that wins - is to pull together and fight harder.
  - badlibrarian 2y ago
    If anything, the players slapping each other on the ass cheering each other on as they lose game after game seems like the problem here. Not criticism from fans. Maybe they could pick one sport -- archiving things -- and focus on that for a while? https://ncua.gov/newsroom/press-release/2016/internet-archive-federal-credit-union-pays-ncua-insured-members-shares-full https://ncua.gov/newsroom/press-release/2016/internet-archiv... https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/internet-archive-major-label-music-lawsuit-1235105273/ https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/internet-a...
    - mmooss 2y ago
      They rely very heavily on public support, politically and financially. You're participating in a public pile-on, which absolutely can damage them. > Maybe they could pick one sport -- archiving things -- and focus on that for a while? Archiving them without sharing them? What's the point? Certainly that's not their mission. They've been very successful with multiple projects; it's also part of pushing the envelope - part of their mission - politically, socially, and technologically. Innovative organizations have a lot failures. I think they are doing great, except for the emergency lending library, and one mistake isn't IMHO you and others are just finding fault, joining in on the sport of piling on. This is your team, and the IA is a critical resource and not, at all, a sport. Instead of treating it like one (I know the metaphor was my idea, but that's how people seem to treat it), we'd better fight for it if we want it. Who will stand up for it if not you? While you are playing social sports, who else is out there to save IA?
      - badlibrarian 2y ago
        Most archives require you to visit in person. It's annoying to tech people, but there are many reasons for it that extend beyond the obvious copyright issues that Internet Archive keeps tripping over. One is that given limited resources and the endless amount of material to conserve, archive, digitize, and develop metadata for so that people in the future can even find it, things like "let's start our own financial institution" and "let's pick a fight over 78 RPM records where even Lessig says we'll probably be sued for 25x our annual budget" tend not to come up in preservation organizations. Likewise cool ideas like "how about we let the general public post comments on albums and videos and even let them post links" tend to get shot down as archivists have better things to do than police porn spam all day. Archiving sucks and is expensive and thankless so of course they want to be a library, too. Unfortunately to do so means you have to understand and follow the rules. Making copyrighted books, video game ROMS, and the most popular song of all time downloadable while asking for donations isn't how it's done. Again, things like "Let's make Donkey Kong playable in a web browser hosted at our domain" does not normally come up in discussions at libraries. It's a bunch of well-intentioned kids and I love them for it, but enough already. It's a failed experiment. Fix the strategy, put a grownup in charge of the thing, and they'll find financial support from individuals and institutions far easier to come by.

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