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As a wikipedia contributor (aroound 10-13 year old account) but not really serious, i have no kind words for wikipedia. The trolling and brigading is alive and

As a wikipedia contributor (aroound 10-13 year old account) but not really serious, i have no kind words for wikipedia. The trolling and brigading is alive and well there. Thats the reason i stopped contributing. As my name would suggest, I live in a hotly contested part of the world and I have hundreds of pages in my watchlist. The amount of "bjp it cell" work they put in to portray their world view on Wikipedia is astounding. Ithought naively for a few years I could fight them but I simply couldnt. They just March across pages, make edits with their clear intentions and make you the enemy. I remember a time when I had a particular "pronoun" ish word on certain pages and that was swiftly being edited out as soon as I changed it. It became hopeless. Besides, they just go "Well since this is "Indian" page, we are responsible to maintaing it in our image". I dont really use Wikipedia these days because of their hate.

intended 2y ago
It’s the same on Reddit. I wouldn’t confirm if it costs of ‘teams’, since it could also include loosely organized organic behavior. Reddit also has similar turfing efforts for Sino related news and content. The only time this ever gets over turned, is when some news article gets traction during EU/US consumption hours, and gains its own following.
defrost 2y ago
> bjp it cell I'm not Indian, I have no specific interest, I'm reading to pick up PoVs outside my own: BJP IT Cell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BJP_IT_Cell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BJP_IT_Cell a department of the Indian political party BJP that manages social media campaigns for the party and its members. According to Washington Post, 150,000 social media workers spread posts aimed at exploiting the fears of India’s Hindu majority across a vast network of WhatsApp groups. BJP orchestrates online campaigns through its social media cell to intimidate perceived government critics. Sadhavi Khosla, a BJP cyber-volunteer in the BJP IT Cell said that the organisation disseminated misogyny, Islamophobia and hatred. That's a hell of a propaganda machine you're dealing with there.
- 2Gkashmiri 2y ago
  i.... am not dealing with it. i threw in the towel when it became unsustainable emotionally and physically. edit: i had a relative who was borrowing a photographer friends camera and taking those news worthy shots for lulz and out of sheer boredom. next thing we know, he is on twitter doing some discussion and the was doxed, threatened with calling the cops and his past dug up just because he used a handle that had links to his afk name. it was terrible for him. and i would say it was all state sponsored. he had to nuke a lot of his online presence and this was around 4years ago when he was around 20. you can imagine. this was all thanks to that BJP it cell. these minions even say as much because they literally are the law. Paid for by the state so they do represent the power of the state in covering their asses and decimating their virtual opponents. as i said, its hopeless
- 082349872349872 2y ago
  with regard to our local much smaller propaganda machines, I think (by the fact that I can't reply there) you implicitly received an answer on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41953841 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41953841
chris_wot 2y ago
Wikipedia lost many good editors over a user named BrownHairedGirl. She single handedly removed extraordinary valuable editors and left a bunch of simps in her wake. The site has never recovered.
air3y 2y ago
Without the full details of the edit war you were involved in, the scenario seems to be clash between your "world view" and those who reversed your edits. From your username, being from a region where a successful genocide/ethnic cleansing of a minority religious group was conducted by the majority local population only a couple of decades back, the possibility of your edits being controversial to others not necessarily the alleged "BJP it cell" is there.
- 2Gkashmiri 2y ago
  >genocide/ethnic cleansing of a minority religious group 200 people of that minority were killed. I do not deny there was a mass exodus but to say a minority was ethnic cleansing is disengenous. Again, my comment was not about the exodus but regarding the politics regarding the last 500 years and more specifically the last 70-90 odd years of history. That has nothing minority-majority issue you are claiming it out to be. On the topic of exodus, you know it was the governor who ordered that the minority to be removed from their homes ? I know because I was there. You might not.
  - immibis 2y ago
    Mass exodus is also ethnic cleansing.
  - air3y 2y ago
    Let us put this way. There were a particular group in a region which comprised around 5% of the population. In a year or two, it dropped to effectively 0%. Now the exact terminology to use for this can be taken as genocide or ethnic cleansing or the somewhat passive "mass exodus". Regarding the edits, I wont attempt to assume that the other side are right. But there is a sensitivity around the politics and history there, with the backdrop of the secessionist movement and the genocide/ethnic cleansing. So can see possibility of differing views there, with conflicting narratives being pushed. > On the topic of exodus, you know it was the governor who ordered that the minority to be removed from their homes ? I know because I was there. You might not. Really! A whole population just packed their bags and left their livelihoods, homes and properties to go and live in refugee camps, just because a governor asked them to. And not because gun toting terrorists supported by the local population where roaming around targeting them for rape and murder ? I will take the words of the people who had to flee, rather than those who were complicit in the genocide/ethnic cleansing.

intended 2y ago

It’s the same on Reddit. I wouldn’t confirm if it costs of ‘teams’, since it could also include loosely organized organic behavior. Reddit also has similar turfing efforts for Sino related news and content. The only time this ever gets over turned, is when some news article gets traction during EU/US consumption hours, and gains its own following.

defrost 2y ago

> bjp it cell I'm not Indian, I have no specific interest, I'm reading to pick up PoVs outside my own: BJP IT Cell: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BJP_IT_Cell https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BJP_IT_Cell a department of the Indian political party BJP that manages social media campaigns for the party and its members. According to Washington Post, 150,000 social media workers spread posts aimed at exploiting the fears of India’s Hindu majority across a vast network of WhatsApp groups. BJP orchestrates online campaigns through its social media cell to intimidate perceived government critics. Sadhavi Khosla, a BJP cyber-volunteer in the BJP IT Cell said that the organisation disseminated misogyny, Islamophobia and hatred. That's a hell of a propaganda machine you're dealing with there.

2Gkashmiri 2y ago
i.... am not dealing with it. i threw in the towel when it became unsustainable emotionally and physically. edit: i had a relative who was borrowing a photographer friends camera and taking those news worthy shots for lulz and out of sheer boredom. next thing we know, he is on twitter doing some discussion and the was doxed, threatened with calling the cops and his past dug up just because he used a handle that had links to his afk name. it was terrible for him. and i would say it was all state sponsored. he had to nuke a lot of his online presence and this was around 4years ago when he was around 20. you can imagine. this was all thanks to that BJP it cell. these minions even say as much because they literally are the law. Paid for by the state so they do represent the power of the state in covering their asses and decimating their virtual opponents. as i said, its hopeless
082349872349872 2y ago
with regard to our local much smaller propaganda machines, I think (by the fact that I can't reply there) you implicitly received an answer on https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41953841 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41953841

chris_wot 2y ago

Wikipedia lost many good editors over a user named BrownHairedGirl. She single handedly removed extraordinary valuable editors and left a bunch of simps in her wake. The site has never recovered.

air3y 2y ago

Without the full details of the edit war you were involved in, the scenario seems to be clash between your "world view" and those who reversed your edits. From your username, being from a region where a successful genocide/ethnic cleansing of a minority religious group was conducted by the majority local population only a couple of decades back, the possibility of your edits being controversial to others not necessarily the alleged "BJP it cell" is there.

2Gkashmiri 2y ago
>genocide/ethnic cleansing of a minority religious group 200 people of that minority were killed. I do not deny there was a mass exodus but to say a minority was ethnic cleansing is disengenous. Again, my comment was not about the exodus but regarding the politics regarding the last 500 years and more specifically the last 70-90 odd years of history. That has nothing minority-majority issue you are claiming it out to be. On the topic of exodus, you know it was the governor who ordered that the minority to be removed from their homes ? I know because I was there. You might not.
- immibis 2y ago
  Mass exodus is also ethnic cleansing.
- air3y 2y ago
  Let us put this way. There were a particular group in a region which comprised around 5% of the population. In a year or two, it dropped to effectively 0%. Now the exact terminology to use for this can be taken as genocide or ethnic cleansing or the somewhat passive "mass exodus". Regarding the edits, I wont attempt to assume that the other side are right. But there is a sensitivity around the politics and history there, with the backdrop of the secessionist movement and the genocide/ethnic cleansing. So can see possibility of differing views there, with conflicting narratives being pushed. > On the topic of exodus, you know it was the governor who ordered that the minority to be removed from their homes ? I know because I was there. You might not. Really! A whole population just packed their bags and left their livelihoods, homes and properties to go and live in refugee camps, just because a governor asked them to. And not because gun toting terrorists supported by the local population where roaming around targeting them for rape and murder ? I will take the words of the people who had to flee, rather than those who were complicit in the genocide/ethnic cleansing.