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No links to the "research" that proved Russian interference. This looks like damage control trying to shift blame and make legit criticism looks like Russian i

• rich_sasha 2y ago
  They probably did. Just as I'm sure CIA was amplifying stories of Putin having cancer, or trying to humiliate Fidel Castro. It's so cheap and so effective, I'm sure everyone does it.
• AtlasBarfed 2y ago
  The Russians, or the Putin administration in particular, are in an existential war at this point. Of course totalitarian regimes exist to keep the totalitarian regime in power, at the expense if necessary of everything else. But the Russian state is comprised of the core ethnic Russian territory, which we think of as Russia, but then also have a VERY large population and land exposure of the -Stans as vassal states to be exploited. None of those stans want to be with Russia. Of course for Russia, losing control of those provinces will mean exposure on all sides from continental invasion, a massive loss of resources and wealth, and worst of all would motivate the regime to be toppled as weak. It would be foolish to think the Russians aren't doing it. There was demonstrable evidence of them interfering in the Clinton-Trump election. There is hints of substantial dark money sloshing around Washington from China and Russia. Why would there not, when Saudi (notice how almost every President goes to Saudi Arabia to kiss ass at the end of their terms?) and Israeli already is, although those are more clear geopolitical interests. Because the quiet agreement on both sides of the aisle is "don't stop any money trains", there isn't the proper attention on this influence, but the Ukraine funding holdup, which was really funny money accounting of valuing old stockpiles being pulled from warehouses that was going to just be scrapped in the near future anyway, was a bizarre political event. To me that really felt like Russian dark money, because the Ukrainians were basically kept without ammo for months and months and the Russians made substantial gains. Why would they not? Regardless, the current administration is still showing weakness and taking it. The Russians are constantly escalating the war, and are now shipping in foreign North Korean troops, and NATO should respond in kind with its own direct troop assistance. The Russians have for decades bragged about fomenting discontent in foreign powers, ironically as their country has economically and demographically faded. We supposedly have invested in state of the art information warfare, but the weakness is that we SUPPOSEDLY can't turn those weapons on our population, while our main opponents can use their capabilities at will domestically or internationally.
  • protomolecule 2y ago
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      • protomolecule 2y ago
        Thank you, yes, the level of craziness of this all is so much beyond I could imagine 3 years ago.
        • throw2343223434 2y ago
          Hopefully in the future we can all have a friendly vodka with each other (obviously Polish :) ..) but I suspect this will be a long time. Stay strong.
          • protomolecule 2y ago
            Polish vodka it is :)
• tim333 2y ago
  Though they did say "Melanie Smith, director of research at ISD." and sticking that into google gives a link to it: https://www.isdglobal.org/digital_dispatches/russian-propaganda-exploits-us-hurricane-response-to-undermine-fema-and-ukraine-support/ https://www.isdglobal.org/digital_dispatches/russian-propaga... The word interference doesn't make it into the abc article and the "russia amplified hurricane disinformation" seems pretty provenn from links in the ISD articles to posts from RT, Sputnik and Dmitry Medvedev doing just that. Not to say there weren't legit criticisms, just that the Russians were trying to stir things.
  • an_guy 2y ago
    > seems pretty provenn from links in the ISD articles to posts from RT, Sputnik Both articles are quoting prominent US politicians and goes on to detail Fema's response. > and Dmitry Medvedev doing just that. How does a vague statement from Russian politician "amplify disinformation"? Is the bar for "amplifying disinformation" as low as quoting US politicians/presidential candidate?
    • tim333 2y ago
      The statement included no money for the clean up - disinformation, money for a drunken mob of Ukrainian thugs - disinformation, tweeted to 1.3m followers - amplifying. If it was just Dimitry it wouldn't be a big deal but the same is probably going out to thousands of 'US Patriot 457' type bot accounts, their paid $100k/episode shills like Tim Pool, quite likely Tucker and Donald, and so on.