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See The Humanure Handbook. https://humanurehandbook.com/ https://humanurehandbook.com/ See also, Paul Wheaton criticism of The Humanure Handbook ("No, do fear

See The Humanure Handbook. https://humanurehandbook.com/ https://humanurehandbook.com/ See also, Paul Wheaton criticism of The Humanure Handbook ("No, do fear your poop! Fear it!!"). Timecode link, but I recommend the whole video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vZPTPIHO8w&t=4980s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6vZPTPIHO8w&t=4980s

NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago
I too am a connoisseur of dysentery.
- schiffern 2y ago
  But seriously check out the links, especially the second one. That's precisely the point — to close the nutrient loop but still 100% interrupt the pathogen fecal-oral route.
  - idunnoman1222 2y ago
    I watched the video and all he said is that if it smells bad, it is bad but I don’t see anything about closing the nutrient loop
pfdietz 2y ago
Yes, let's put human waste containing a whole Walgreens' of drug residues onto a field growing our food crops. What could possibly go wrong?
- psd1 2y ago
  Good question. It's about unknown unknowns, right? But we could map out where those may be. I guess chemical toxicity, drugs with long half-lives that affect soil organisms, and antibiotics that promote resistance. (yeah yeah they are all chemicals.) For the chemical toxicity, it's chemicals that are harmful to plants but allowed for human consumption, or chemicals in sufficient quantity to disrupt soil balance. Doesn't seem like a real concern? With metabolic disruption to soil organisms, yes, there may be real danger there. That smells like previous environmental mistakes. Antibiotics, yeah, some danger. Livestock is exposed, and resistance-conferring genes might jump directly to human pathogens. It's worth studying. There are requirements for both sewage processing and fertilising soil, so the value of a solution would be high.
- chairmansteve 2y ago
  Yes, at an industrial level it's a problem. But as a small scale regenerative farmer, its the thing to do. Like many things, poop doesn't easily scale....
  - pfdietz 2y ago
    I don't see what scale has to do with it. The concentration of drug residues in manure is independent of the quantity.
- candiddevmike 2y ago
  Milogranite and similar are exactly that. Burned up human waste fertilizer.

NoMoreNicksLeft 2y ago

I too am a connoisseur of dysentery.

schiffern 2y ago
But seriously check out the links, especially the second one. That's precisely the point — to close the nutrient loop but still 100% interrupt the pathogen fecal-oral route.
- idunnoman1222 2y ago
  I watched the video and all he said is that if it smells bad, it is bad but I don’t see anything about closing the nutrient loop

pfdietz 2y ago

Yes, let's put human waste containing a whole Walgreens' of drug residues onto a field growing our food crops. What could possibly go wrong?

psd1 2y ago
Good question. It's about unknown unknowns, right? But we could map out where those may be. I guess chemical toxicity, drugs with long half-lives that affect soil organisms, and antibiotics that promote resistance. (yeah yeah they are all chemicals.) For the chemical toxicity, it's chemicals that are harmful to plants but allowed for human consumption, or chemicals in sufficient quantity to disrupt soil balance. Doesn't seem like a real concern? With metabolic disruption to soil organisms, yes, there may be real danger there. That smells like previous environmental mistakes. Antibiotics, yeah, some danger. Livestock is exposed, and resistance-conferring genes might jump directly to human pathogens. It's worth studying. There are requirements for both sewage processing and fertilising soil, so the value of a solution would be high.
chairmansteve 2y ago
Yes, at an industrial level it's a problem. But as a small scale regenerative farmer, its the thing to do. Like many things, poop doesn't easily scale....
- pfdietz 2y ago
  I don't see what scale has to do with it. The concentration of drug residues in manure is independent of the quantity.
candiddevmike 2y ago
Milogranite and similar are exactly that. Burned up human waste fertilizer.