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Democracy dies in darkness was a promise, not a warning.

nomdep 2y ago
I'm sick of this absurd FUD. You surely must realize that the claims that if Trump wins, democracy is going to end are just fearmongering, don't you?
- soupbowl 2y ago
  How is it FUD? The last time Trump was elected Democracy died... didn't it? /s
  - dymk 2y ago
    He tried his best during his presidency, and has continued to do so since losing the last election.
  - w0de0 2y ago
    Yeah - let’s give the moronic narcissist a second chance, since he was stymied by entrenched republican institutions and own incompetence the first time. It is only fair!
- Spivak 2y ago
  Do I need to trot out the list of dictators who were democratically elected? https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/us/politics/trump-officials-letter-fascist-john-kelly.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/us/politics/trump-officia... These aren't nobodies, they aren't the only ones close to him saying this, and that's before his public statements. The bulk of Project 2025 is a how-to guide for rooting out administrative disloyalty. I don't think he'll be successful but I don't want to deal with the shit he's going to cause in the attempt. It would be really really easy to make everyone feel better by nominating literally anyone else, preferably a Moderate Republican. I'll personally go door to door campaigning for them if it means not Trump.
- laidoffamazon 2y ago
  He literally tried an autogolpe. I saw it, live, on TV with my own eyes and ears. He's currently promising to pardon the people that participated in it that have been prosecuted while pardoning himself due to his own immune status. That's how a Banana Republic functions.
  - warner25 2y ago
    That and talking about prosecuting the political opposition along with journalists, poll workers, and career public servants just for doing their jobs. And using the military to do it. I don't actually think he'll be able to end democracy, because I think a sufficient number of Americans (including in the military) will stand up to him, but I do believe he'd like to.
    - archagon 2y ago
      At the very least, we’ll feel the damage from a supermajority far-right judicial system for generations.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    He'a also promised to purge the civil service and replace it entirely with personal loyalists, and to conduct ethnic cleansing on a world-historic scale.
- eapressoandcats 2y ago
  It’s… really not? The dude tried to overturn the previous election, and repeatedly threatens to throw his enemies in jail. Senior members of his own staff have flat out said he’s a fascist and he’s literally running on a promise to round up millions of people and put them in camps. Like probably we’ll still have elections but you know, so do Hungary and Russia.
  - nomdep 2y ago
    Ok, so if he wins (seems likely even to WaPo) and those thing doesn’t happen, are you going to think “I was wrong” or double down on “he really wanted to do it but they didn’t let him”
    - eapressoandcats 2y ago
      So, he did win and a lot of bad things did happen. Trump withheld disaster aid from blue states: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-delayed-disaster-aid-states-governors-criticized-him-1235142056/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-de... Trump already punished Amazon for the Washington Post’s reporting: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/washington-post-endorsement-kamala-harris-trump-bezos-amazon-threat.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/washington-post-endo... And like, if you don’t believe any of that reporting, listen to the man himself? Like he regularly and personally advocates putting his opponents in jail. Either you’re saying he’s blatantly lying about his intentions or your entire defense of him is that he’s an incompetent nincompoop. The problem is that because it’s probably true that we’re not going to all and up in prison camps on Inauguration Day, you can claim that things aren’t really bad, which is absurd. Like, lots of people have ordinary lives in authoritarian countries. Most of them are not in fact North Korea. The US becoming far more authoritarian and cronyistic is still really bad.
      - nomdep 2y ago
        Sorry, your perception of reality is so far from mine that nothing I could write here would matter. It's like you live in a parallel universe. To me, the US has become basically 1984 the last 10+ years but because of the "left", that has become so radicalized, that now everyone and everything to the right to Stanlin is labelled far-right/nazi/hitler/etc.
- geye1234 2y ago
  They really think it's true. People as diverse and mutually antagonistic as George Orwell, Noam Chomsky and C.S. Lewis said that the outer elites -- the exact kind of people that inhabit HN -- were far more thoroughly propagandized than the working class and the poor. It's on full display here.
- webninja 2y ago
  They shouldn’t have downvoted you.

I'm sick of this absurd FUD. You surely must realize that the claims that if Trump wins, democracy is going to end are just fearmongering, don't you?

soupbowl 2y ago
How is it FUD? The last time Trump was elected Democracy died... didn't it? /s
- dymk 2y ago
  He tried his best during his presidency, and has continued to do so since losing the last election.
- w0de0 2y ago
  Yeah - let’s give the moronic narcissist a second chance, since he was stymied by entrenched republican institutions and own incompetence the first time. It is only fair!
Spivak 2y ago
Do I need to trot out the list of dictators who were democratically elected? https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/us/politics/trump-officials-letter-fascist-john-kelly.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/25/us/politics/trump-officia... These aren't nobodies, they aren't the only ones close to him saying this, and that's before his public statements. The bulk of Project 2025 is a how-to guide for rooting out administrative disloyalty. I don't think he'll be successful but I don't want to deal with the shit he's going to cause in the attempt. It would be really really easy to make everyone feel better by nominating literally anyone else, preferably a Moderate Republican. I'll personally go door to door campaigning for them if it means not Trump.
laidoffamazon 2y ago
He literally tried an autogolpe. I saw it, live, on TV with my own eyes and ears. He's currently promising to pardon the people that participated in it that have been prosecuted while pardoning himself due to his own immune status. That's how a Banana Republic functions.
- warner25 2y ago
  That and talking about prosecuting the political opposition along with journalists, poll workers, and career public servants just for doing their jobs. And using the military to do it. I don't actually think he'll be able to end democracy, because I think a sufficient number of Americans (including in the military) will stand up to him, but I do believe he'd like to.
  - archagon 2y ago
    At the very least, we’ll feel the damage from a supermajority far-right judicial system for generations.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  He'a also promised to purge the civil service and replace it entirely with personal loyalists, and to conduct ethnic cleansing on a world-historic scale.
eapressoandcats 2y ago
It’s… really not? The dude tried to overturn the previous election, and repeatedly threatens to throw his enemies in jail. Senior members of his own staff have flat out said he’s a fascist and he’s literally running on a promise to round up millions of people and put them in camps. Like probably we’ll still have elections but you know, so do Hungary and Russia.
- nomdep 2y ago
  Ok, so if he wins (seems likely even to WaPo) and those thing doesn’t happen, are you going to think “I was wrong” or double down on “he really wanted to do it but they didn’t let him”
  - eapressoandcats 2y ago
    So, he did win and a lot of bad things did happen. Trump withheld disaster aid from blue states: https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-delayed-disaster-aid-states-governors-criticized-him-1235142056/ https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-de... Trump already punished Amazon for the Washington Post’s reporting: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/washington-post-endorsement-kamala-harris-trump-bezos-amazon-threat.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/washington-post-endo... And like, if you don’t believe any of that reporting, listen to the man himself? Like he regularly and personally advocates putting his opponents in jail. Either you’re saying he’s blatantly lying about his intentions or your entire defense of him is that he’s an incompetent nincompoop. The problem is that because it’s probably true that we’re not going to all and up in prison camps on Inauguration Day, you can claim that things aren’t really bad, which is absurd. Like, lots of people have ordinary lives in authoritarian countries. Most of them are not in fact North Korea. The US becoming far more authoritarian and cronyistic is still really bad.
    - nomdep 2y ago
      Sorry, your perception of reality is so far from mine that nothing I could write here would matter. It's like you live in a parallel universe. To me, the US has become basically 1984 the last 10+ years but because of the "left", that has become so radicalized, that now everyone and everything to the right to Stanlin is labelled far-right/nazi/hitler/etc.
geye1234 2y ago
They really think it's true. People as diverse and mutually antagonistic as George Orwell, Noam Chomsky and C.S. Lewis said that the outer elites -- the exact kind of people that inhabit HN -- were far more thoroughly propagandized than the working class and the poor. It's on full display here.
webninja 2y ago
They shouldn’t have downvoted you.