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The chain of custody issues alone render the laptop story incredible

zmgsabst 2y ago
Tell that to the courts, I guess. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/11/business/media/hunter-biden-laptop-new-york-post.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/11/business/media/hunter-bid... Excerpt: > The laptop and some of its contents played a visible role in federal prosecutors’ case against the president’s son, who was charged with lying on a firearm application in 2018 by not disclosing his drug use. A prosecutor briefly held up the laptop before the jury in Delaware, and an F.B.I. agent later testified that messages and photos on it and in personal data that Mr. Biden had saved in cloud computing servers had made his drug use clear.
- selimthegrim 2y ago
  iCloud isn’t the laptop, let’s be clear
- Sabinus 2y ago
  Incredible that in this comment thread there are suggestions the Biden government is fascist, even though Biden allowed his son to be prosecuted but if the reverse happened Trump would obviously interfere.
  - haccount 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - sofixa 2y ago
      So Biden is a fascist and dangerous, but extremely week and can't remember his own kids? This is the classic far-right nonsense of the enemy is both super weak and to be crushed, and super dangerous and powerful.
      - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
        Might-makes-right morality... and to prove how right I am, I will show you my might by beating on some victim. The mistake is to analyze this kind of discourse from a position of looking for justice or other classical liberal concepts. Authoritarian right or left start from an entirely different positioning, similar to that of a schoolyard bully: if you cry injustice, you're already weak. Winning is most important above all, not being right. And if the winner is doing something "wrong", then what is wrong is redefined. Epstein is evil because he was weak and got caught, so his accusers&victims are right... but if allegations are made against Trump for the same things, those making the allegations are liars, because Trump is strong. There's literally no way to make an accusation against him without being, yourself, cast as a villain. Even Christianity itself is redefined, its core moral precepts rewritten from "turn the other cheek" and "blessed are the meek", to prosperity gospel and "God's favoured nation"
  - philwelch 2y ago
    Federal prosecutors tried to make an extremely favorable plea deal with Hunter Biden that granted immunity to a host of crimes he wasn’t charged with. The judges ended up throwing it out. Don’t rule out a lame duck pardon, either. Both Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton pardoned their ne’er-do-well relatives, and it’s very common for Presidents to issue pardons during their final days in office.
    - Sabinus 2y ago
      >Don’t rule out a lame duck pardon, either. Biden was asked if he would pardon his son, and he said no. But this is entirely beside the point, because Trump would pardon his son without a second thought and Trump supporters wouldn't blink. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-tells-muir-wouldnt-pardon-son-hunter/story?id=110904482 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-tells-muir-wouldnt-par... https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/06/politics/biden-will-not-pardon-hunter-biden/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/06/politics/biden-will-not-p... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c133mdjkl7go https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c133mdjkl7go
      - philwelch 2y ago
        He also said he wouldn’t drop out of the election.
        Sabinus 2y ago
        Yeah the party spent weeks arguing with him to put the country before his desire to be a two term president. Something Trump is far too egotistical to do. But this is entirely beside the point, because the Democrat politicians are held to a far higher standard than the Republicans politicians are, especially Trump.
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ivewonyoung 2y ago
To add to the sibling comment about the courts, from Wiki: > Starting in 2021, news outlets began to authenticate some of the contents of the laptop. In 2021, Politico verified two key emails used in the Post's initial reporting by cross-referencing emails with other datasets and contacting their recipients. CBS News published a forensic analysis which examined a "clean" copy of the data obtained directly from Mac Isaac. It concluded that the "clean" data, including over 120,000 emails, originated with Hunter Biden and had not been altered
- dirtyhippiefree 2y ago
  This whole thing is sounding alot like the one about Bill Murray, the son of famous atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair (not the famous one from SNL). His mom really influenced his behavior, so it has to be a conspiracy: William J. Murray III is an American Baptist minister, and social conservative lobbyist. Murray serves as the chairman of the Religious Freedom Coalition, a non-profit organization in Washington, D.C. that lobbies Congress on issues related to aiding Christians in Islamic and Communist countries.
smsm42 2y ago
It's fascinating to see the true believer. It's like those cult members that stayed in the cult when the day of the end of the world came and passed and nothing happened. They just said "well, it's probably going to happen next year". It's both sad and fascinating - there's literally nothing too ridiculous that people couldn't believe given the opportunity.

Tell that to the courts, I guess. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/11/business/media/hunter-biden-laptop-new-york-post.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/11/business/media/hunter-bid... Excerpt: > The laptop and some of its contents played a visible role in federal prosecutors’ case against the president’s son, who was charged with lying on a firearm application in 2018 by not disclosing his drug use. A prosecutor briefly held up the laptop before the jury in Delaware, and an F.B.I. agent later testified that messages and photos on it and in personal data that Mr. Biden had saved in cloud computing servers had made his drug use clear.

selimthegrim 2y ago
iCloud isn’t the laptop, let’s be clear
Sabinus 2y ago
Incredible that in this comment thread there are suggestions the Biden government is fascist, even though Biden allowed his son to be prosecuted but if the reverse happened Trump would obviously interfere.
- haccount 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - sofixa 2y ago
    So Biden is a fascist and dangerous, but extremely week and can't remember his own kids? This is the classic far-right nonsense of the enemy is both super weak and to be crushed, and super dangerous and powerful.
    - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
      Might-makes-right morality... and to prove how right I am, I will show you my might by beating on some victim. The mistake is to analyze this kind of discourse from a position of looking for justice or other classical liberal concepts. Authoritarian right or left start from an entirely different positioning, similar to that of a schoolyard bully: if you cry injustice, you're already weak. Winning is most important above all, not being right. And if the winner is doing something "wrong", then what is wrong is redefined. Epstein is evil because he was weak and got caught, so his accusers&victims are right... but if allegations are made against Trump for the same things, those making the allegations are liars, because Trump is strong. There's literally no way to make an accusation against him without being, yourself, cast as a villain. Even Christianity itself is redefined, its core moral precepts rewritten from "turn the other cheek" and "blessed are the meek", to prosperity gospel and "God's favoured nation"
- philwelch 2y ago
  Federal prosecutors tried to make an extremely favorable plea deal with Hunter Biden that granted immunity to a host of crimes he wasn’t charged with. The judges ended up throwing it out. Don’t rule out a lame duck pardon, either. Both Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton pardoned their ne’er-do-well relatives, and it’s very common for Presidents to issue pardons during their final days in office.
  - Sabinus 2y ago
    >Don’t rule out a lame duck pardon, either. Biden was asked if he would pardon his son, and he said no. But this is entirely beside the point, because Trump would pardon his son without a second thought and Trump supporters wouldn't blink. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-tells-muir-wouldnt-pardon-son-hunter/story?id=110904482 https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-tells-muir-wouldnt-par... https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/06/politics/biden-will-not-pardon-hunter-biden/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/06/politics/biden-will-not-p... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c133mdjkl7go https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c133mdjkl7go
    - philwelch 2y ago
      He also said he wouldn’t drop out of the election.
      - Sabinus 2y ago
        Yeah the party spent weeks arguing with him to put the country before his desire to be a two term president. Something Trump is far too egotistical to do. But this is entirely beside the point, because the Democrat politicians are held to a far higher standard than the Republicans politicians are, especially Trump.
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        [deleted]

ivewonyoung 2y ago

To add to the sibling comment about the courts, from Wiki: > Starting in 2021, news outlets began to authenticate some of the contents of the laptop. In 2021, Politico verified two key emails used in the Post's initial reporting by cross-referencing emails with other datasets and contacting their recipients. CBS News published a forensic analysis which examined a "clean" copy of the data obtained directly from Mac Isaac. It concluded that the "clean" data, including over 120,000 emails, originated with Hunter Biden and had not been altered

dirtyhippiefree 2y ago
This whole thing is sounding alot like the one about Bill Murray, the son of famous atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair (not the famous one from SNL). His mom really influenced his behavior, so it has to be a conspiracy: William J. Murray III is an American Baptist minister, and social conservative lobbyist. Murray serves as the chairman of the Religious Freedom Coalition, a non-profit organization in Washington, D.C. that lobbies Congress on issues related to aiding Christians in Islamic and Communist countries.

smsm42 2y ago

It's fascinating to see the true believer. It's like those cult members that stayed in the cult when the day of the end of the world came and passed and nothing happened. They just said "well, it's probably going to happen next year". It's both sad and fascinating - there's literally nothing too ridiculous that people couldn't believe given the opportunity.