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No. You read the statements right. Indian judges tend to give such statements, sometimes even worse. For example, recently one judge in unrelated case gave a st

No. You read the statements right. Indian judges tend to give such statements, sometimes even worse. For example, recently one judge in unrelated case gave a statement that “criminalising marital rape is bit harsh”. The main problem in this case is that Wikimedia hasn’t complied YET with high court orders of revealing people who did the edits. ANI just went ahead and filed contempt of court case before Wiki legal team could respond. I’m not sure if initial order came with some sort of deadline or not. I guess they are trying to leverage the delay in their favour. In my opinion, ANI and many media houses in India are partially controlled by incumbent party ( BJP ) either by incentives or manipulation, you can read about Income tax raid on BBC and some other media outlets for understanding their methods.

zelse 2y ago
This. They're following the Orban-Erdogan-Harper (International Democratic Union) playbook - purge the judiciary of independent judges, control the news media, and open culture-war fronts to distract and sap the strength of opposition while riling up your base. The situation in the world's largest democracy is a very dire one.
- tomrod 2y ago
  Indeed.
- mise_en_place 2y ago
  Start your own Wikipedia.
- user_7832 2y ago
  > purge the judiciary of independent judges, control the news media, and open culture-war fronts to distract and sap the strength of opposition while riling up your base I don’t like whataboutism as much as anyone else, but if we’re going to criticise one country I’d like to point out that with Murdoch et al, you’ve got the same stuff happening in a lot of countries (US/UK/Aus off the top of my head) too. And unlike some places like the US, in India the judges are relatively much more independent politically. What you’re likely missing is that a significant chunk of the population itself (and likely some judges) hold such views. You don’t need to politically cajole a judge if they already share the same view, do you?
tomrod 2y ago
Sounds like an authoritarian government that should be ignored.
- Legend2440 2y ago
  Governments have ways of making themselves difficult to ignore.
  - tomrod 2y ago
    Do they? What is the administrative division of governance in Liechtenstein? I don't know, and you might, but we mostly live blissfully unaware in the undergirding bueracracy that surrounds us. And if Liechtenstein calls for my head for saying that I know nothing about them, fantastic. I'll still never hear about it. The have no power where I am. But a government threatens an internationally beloved and fundamental institution built by the volunteering work of individuals across the globe for the pure love of sharing knowledge because it accurately made a statement? The Indian high court may as well allow universal atrocities for all the respect for sovereignty it will generate at home and abroad.
    - hackernewds 2y ago
      A market with billions of users is a bit different than Liechtenstein
      - tomrod 2y ago
        The economy is not the government, and banning sites clearly doesn't work well.
    - wodenokoto 2y ago
      Liechtenstein is a member of interpol, so if they have a warrant for your arrest, that might actually be a problem for you, even if you are not going there.
      - 2y ago
catlikesshrimp 2y ago
Unrelated: >> "In my opinion, ANI and many media houses in India are partially controlled by incumbent party ( BJP ) either by incentives or manipulation, you can read about Income tax raid on BBC and some other media outlets for understanding their methods." By the Indian court standards, HN would be compelled to globally take down this topic.
- small_scombrus 2y ago
  In theory that the quote starts with "In my opinion" should protect HN in this scenario. Wikipedia almost exclusively words things as if they are know facts (because they usually are), which means they lose the safety of it being an opinion
  - boomboomsubban 2y ago
    The Wikipedia article in question says that ANI has been "accused of..." Wikipedia is saying it's a known fact they've been accused of that, which this subthread shows is true as someone accused them of it.
noisy_boy 2y ago
Some illustrative examples: - Judge Mahesh Sharma told TV channels that "the peahen gets pregnant" only by "swallowing the tears of the peacock". - The Delhi High Court granted anticipatory bail to a rape accused government accused after the survivor’s mother expressed that she has no objection to the same. - In a bizarre order, the Madurai Bench of the Madras High Court granted bail to a man accused of raping and impregnating a 17-year-old girl under the Protection of Children from Sexual Offences (POCSO) Act on a condition that he marries he after she attains the majority age of 18.(Tamil Nadu) - Granting pre arrest bail to a rape accused, Karnataka High Court took sexual violence jurisprudence back by decades.The court speculated why the complainant did not approach the court earlier when the accused was allegedly asking her for sexual favours. The court also questioned why the complainant went to her office late night and did not object to consumption of alcohol. The court said that the complainant’s explanation that she fell asleep after the alleged crime is “unbecoming of a woman; that is not the way our women react when they are ravished”. Just memorizing law to a great extent doesn't elevate judges above societal prejudices and backwardness. [0]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40116001 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40116001 [1]: https://sabrangindia.in/article/delhi-hc-grants-pre-arrest-bail-rape-accused-who-married-prosecutrix#:~:text=Delhi%20HC%20grants%20pre%20arrest%20bail%20to%20rape%20accused%20who%20married%20Prosecutrix,-The%20mother%20of&text=The%20Delhi%20High%20Court%20has,no%20objection%20to%20the%20same https://sabrangindia.in/article/delhi-hc-grants-pre-arrest-b.... [2]: https://sabrangindia.in/madras-hc-grants-pocso-accused-bail-if-he-marries-survivor/#:~:text=On%20October%2029%2C%202020%20the,the%20majority%20age%20of%2018 https://sabrangindia.in/madras-hc-grants-pocso-accused-bail-.... [3]: https://sabrangindia.in/article/falling-asleep-after-being-ravished-very-unbecoming-indian-woman-ktaka-hc https://sabrangindia.in/article/falling-asleep-after-being-r...

zelse 2y ago

This. They're following the Orban-Erdogan-Harper (International Democratic Union) playbook - purge the judiciary of independent judges, control the news media, and open culture-war fronts to distract and sap the strength of opposition while riling up your base. The situation in the world's largest democracy is a very dire one.

tomrod 2y ago
Indeed.
mise_en_place 2y ago
Start your own Wikipedia.
user_7832 2y ago
> purge the judiciary of independent judges, control the news media, and open culture-war fronts to distract and sap the strength of opposition while riling up your base I don’t like whataboutism as much as anyone else, but if we’re going to criticise one country I’d like to point out that with Murdoch et al, you’ve got the same stuff happening in a lot of countries (US/UK/Aus off the top of my head) too. And unlike some places like the US, in India the judges are relatively much more independent politically. What you’re likely missing is that a significant chunk of the population itself (and likely some judges) hold such views. You don’t need to politically cajole a judge if they already share the same view, do you?

tomrod 2y ago

Sounds like an authoritarian government that should be ignored.

Legend2440 2y ago
Governments have ways of making themselves difficult to ignore.
- tomrod 2y ago
  Do they? What is the administrative division of governance in Liechtenstein? I don't know, and you might, but we mostly live blissfully unaware in the undergirding bueracracy that surrounds us. And if Liechtenstein calls for my head for saying that I know nothing about them, fantastic. I'll still never hear about it. The have no power where I am. But a government threatens an internationally beloved and fundamental institution built by the volunteering work of individuals across the globe for the pure love of sharing knowledge because it accurately made a statement? The Indian high court may as well allow universal atrocities for all the respect for sovereignty it will generate at home and abroad.
  - hackernewds 2y ago
    A market with billions of users is a bit different than Liechtenstein
    - tomrod 2y ago
      The economy is not the government, and banning sites clearly doesn't work well.
  - wodenokoto 2y ago
    Liechtenstein is a member of interpol, so if they have a warrant for your arrest, that might actually be a problem for you, even if you are not going there.
    - 2y ago

catlikesshrimp 2y ago

Unrelated: >> "In my opinion, ANI and many media houses in India are partially controlled by incumbent party ( BJP ) either by incentives or manipulation, you can read about Income tax raid on BBC and some other media outlets for understanding their methods." By the Indian court standards, HN would be compelled to globally take down this topic.

small_scombrus 2y ago
In theory that the quote starts with "In my opinion" should protect HN in this scenario. Wikipedia almost exclusively words things as if they are know facts (because they usually are), which means they lose the safety of it being an opinion
- boomboomsubban 2y ago
  The Wikipedia article in question says that ANI has been "accused of..." Wikipedia is saying it's a known fact they've been accused of that, which this subthread shows is true as someone accused them of it.

noisy_boy 2y ago

Some illustrative examples: - Judge Mahesh Sharma told TV channels that "the peahen gets pregnant" only by "swallowing the tears of the peacock". - The Delhi High Court granted anticipatory bail to a rape accused government accused after the survivor’s mother expressed that she has no objection to the same. - In a bizarre order, the Madurai Bench of the Madras High Court granted bail to a man accused of raping and impregnating a 17-year-old girl under the Protection of Children from Sexual Offences (POCSO) Act on a condition that he marries he after she attains the majority age of 18.(Tamil Nadu) - Granting pre arrest bail to a rape accused, Karnataka High Court took sexual violence jurisprudence back by decades.The court speculated why the complainant did not approach the court earlier when the accused was allegedly asking her for sexual favours. The court also questioned why the complainant went to her office late night and did not object to consumption of alcohol. The court said that the complainant’s explanation that she fell asleep after the alleged crime is “unbecoming of a woman; that is not the way our women react when they are ravished”. Just memorizing law to a great extent doesn't elevate judges above societal prejudices and backwardness. [0]: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40116001 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40116001 [1]: https://sabrangindia.in/article/delhi-hc-grants-pre-arrest-bail-rape-accused-who-married-prosecutrix#:~:text=Delhi%20HC%20grants%20pre%20arrest%20bail%20to%20rape%20accused%20who%20married%20Prosecutrix,-The%20mother%20of&text=The%20Delhi%20High%20Court%20has,no%20objection%20to%20the%20same https://sabrangindia.in/article/delhi-hc-grants-pre-arrest-b.... [2]: https://sabrangindia.in/madras-hc-grants-pocso-accused-bail-if-he-marries-survivor/#:~:text=On%20October%2029%2C%202020%20the,the%20majority%20age%20of%2018 https://sabrangindia.in/madras-hc-grants-pocso-accused-bail-.... [3]: https://sabrangindia.in/article/falling-asleep-after-being-ravished-very-unbecoming-indian-woman-ktaka-hc https://sabrangindia.in/article/falling-asleep-after-being-r...