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> Meanwhile, Canada is in the final stages of considering legislation that would fix the Canadian version of the DMCA, a bill called C-244 that is in its third

> Meanwhile, Canada is in the final stages of considering legislation that would fix the Canadian version of the DMCA, a bill called C-244 that is in its third reading in the Senate and expected to move before the end of the month. If Canada legalized circumventing technological protection measures for the purposes of repair, we might just have to head north to find the tools we need to do repairs. That's good news, I didn't know about that bill. It looks like it was voted for unanimously in parliament. It's nice when you hear about our government doing something good for once.

8note 2y ago
The government of Canada is really missing out by not selling this bill as a reason to keep them in power
- anonylizard 2y ago
  The odds are like 95%-5% against them, nothing will save them at this point.
- postepowanieadm 2y ago
  I saw some tweets claiming people would vote He Who Cannot Be Named if McDonalds ice cream machines get fixed.
  - kevincox 2y ago
    For some reason it another the broken ice cream problem doesn't seem to be nearly as prevalent in Canada. I don't have ice cream at McDonald's often, but at least a handful of times a year and don't think I have ever encountered a broken machine. This is mostly around Toronto.
- diogocp 2y ago
  It's not a government bill.
  - SECProto 2y ago
    > It's not a government bill. It's a private member's bill (from a member of the governing party, supported unanimously by votes from every party)
- jeromegv 2y ago
  Less than 1% of the population would understand this bill. What concerns people on the day to day is quite different and that’s what the government is talking about (housing, immigration, policing, health care, dental care, pharmacies etc).
Zak 2y ago
What the hacker community should be lobbying for, everywhere is the complete repeal of these anticircumvention laws. DRM does not meaningfully protect against piracy, and most of the things it does protect against are otherwise-legal
- matheusmoreira 2y ago
  Anticircumvention laws are the backbone of big tech's business models. They're all about creating little digital fiefdoms with us as their serfs. They own the platforms, they have all the keys to the machines and they aren't interested in hackers taking away their control. Same tech companies that used to reverse engineer and adversarially interoperate whether their competitors liked it or not. They're the ones lobbying now. They don't want others doing the same thing to them.
jMyles 2y ago
> It's nice when you hear about our government doing something good for once. Critically, what the government is doing here is reducing its own authority with regard to information, the internet, and ultimately at some level, thought. Sharing methods for basic home and business improvements, including repairs of machinery, is one of the most fundamental functions of society. It's rare (but of course not unheard of by any stretch) that the governments of the largest nation states do anything _proactive_ that is helpful to society, but in many cases when they choose to reduce their own capabilities (even for the wrong reasons), it seems more forward-looking.
- fsckboy 2y ago
  just as an aside, in political science/international relations, a "state" is what you are calling a nation state. A "nation" is like canadian first nations or the cherokee nation or the german nation before there was a german state (not very long ago), i.e. it's an ethnicity/language. A nation state is when a nation and a state are combined, like Italy (a country, a polity, where the italian people live) and Japan. The USA is not a nation-state, it is just a state, nor is Canada.
  - Dilettante_ 2y ago
    >The USA is not a nation-state, it is just a state, nor is Canada. That throws up the question in my mind: What makes a people into a nation? How uniform do they have to be?
    - selimthegrim 2y ago
      Quebec has entered the chat.
      - dmix 2y ago
        They do love to do that :)
    - borski 2y ago
      I swear I’m not trying to pull an RTFM, but the Wikipedia page is genuinely an interesting one and goes into the history and the fact that nation-states, in particular, are a relatively modern phenomenon. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation

8note 2y ago

The government of Canada is really missing out by not selling this bill as a reason to keep them in power

anonylizard 2y ago
The odds are like 95%-5% against them, nothing will save them at this point.
postepowanieadm 2y ago
I saw some tweets claiming people would vote He Who Cannot Be Named if McDonalds ice cream machines get fixed.
- kevincox 2y ago
  For some reason it another the broken ice cream problem doesn't seem to be nearly as prevalent in Canada. I don't have ice cream at McDonald's often, but at least a handful of times a year and don't think I have ever encountered a broken machine. This is mostly around Toronto.
diogocp 2y ago
It's not a government bill.
- SECProto 2y ago
  > It's not a government bill. It's a private member's bill (from a member of the governing party, supported unanimously by votes from every party)
jeromegv 2y ago
Less than 1% of the population would understand this bill. What concerns people on the day to day is quite different and that’s what the government is talking about (housing, immigration, policing, health care, dental care, pharmacies etc).

Zak 2y ago

What the hacker community should be lobbying for, everywhere is the complete repeal of these anticircumvention laws. DRM does not meaningfully protect against piracy, and most of the things it does protect against are otherwise-legal

matheusmoreira 2y ago
Anticircumvention laws are the backbone of big tech's business models. They're all about creating little digital fiefdoms with us as their serfs. They own the platforms, they have all the keys to the machines and they aren't interested in hackers taking away their control. Same tech companies that used to reverse engineer and adversarially interoperate whether their competitors liked it or not. They're the ones lobbying now. They don't want others doing the same thing to them.

jMyles 2y ago

> It's nice when you hear about our government doing something good for once. Critically, what the government is doing here is reducing its own authority with regard to information, the internet, and ultimately at some level, thought. Sharing methods for basic home and business improvements, including repairs of machinery, is one of the most fundamental functions of society. It's rare (but of course not unheard of by any stretch) that the governments of the largest nation states do anything _proactive_ that is helpful to society, but in many cases when they choose to reduce their own capabilities (even for the wrong reasons), it seems more forward-looking.

fsckboy 2y ago
just as an aside, in political science/international relations, a "state" is what you are calling a nation state. A "nation" is like canadian first nations or the cherokee nation or the german nation before there was a german state (not very long ago), i.e. it's an ethnicity/language. A nation state is when a nation and a state are combined, like Italy (a country, a polity, where the italian people live) and Japan. The USA is not a nation-state, it is just a state, nor is Canada.
- Dilettante_ 2y ago
  >The USA is not a nation-state, it is just a state, nor is Canada. That throws up the question in my mind: What makes a people into a nation? How uniform do they have to be?
  - selimthegrim 2y ago
    Quebec has entered the chat.
    - dmix 2y ago
      They do love to do that :)
  - borski 2y ago
    I swear I’m not trying to pull an RTFM, but the Wikipedia page is genuinely an interesting one and goes into the history and the fact that nation-states, in particular, are a relatively modern phenomenon. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation