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CHP seizes cars after Bay Bridge sideshow with Flock Security data

12 points by philip1209 2y ago

playingalong 2y ago
TIL. Apparently "sideshow" means blocking the whole traffic (one way) to have illegal street racing or burning tires, etc.
- ihumanable 2y ago
  Sideshows are the dumbest thing. I live in an area where people do sideshows. Midnight, a dozen or so cars and then a hundred or more random people will show up and make a racket squealing around. More than once they’ve crashed and caused injuries and property damage. For what? Even if they succeed in not destroying their vehicles, other innocent people’s property, or maim someone it’s a loud pointless nothing. It’s not a competition, it’s just being loud and smells awful. I don’t even get how it’s a show, it’s literally just cars doing donuts… how many times do you have to see that before it’s boring, once? Who goes to these things
- rasz 2y ago
  I wonder if sideshows even existed in the wild before release of The Fast and the Furious (2001) movie.
  - dragonwriter 2y ago
    > I wonder if sideshows even existed in the wild before release of The Fast and the Furious (2001) movie Yes, the Wikipedia article on them notes that they started in Oakland in the 1980s, and points to specific city responses to try to combat them from the mid-1990s. The movies were probably a contributor to the spread of the phenomenon, though.
potato3732842 2y ago
It really rubs me the wrong way when the cops prioritize this sort of enforcement because it really lays bare that they don't care about harm reduction or protecting good people, they care about using their jackboot to stomp anyone who gives the bird to their authority. The fact that they're using the surveillance state to do it is just the cherry on top. I get that side shows are inconvenient an dangerous but the acute danger is mostly limited to people who consent to their exposure and it's not like there isn't a huge backlog of criminals who's crimes necessarily create victims in the bay area to be going after. Edit: While I agree on paper it should be a serious crime to DOS infrastructure I have a hard time taking it seriously when the same government agencies have no problem doing partial or full closures when it suits them. Additionally many people would happily condone the blocking of similar infrastructure by a few hundred person protest but a few hundred people watching a dozen cars do dumb things for entertainment is not treated the same even if the result is the same.
- baggy_trough 2y ago
  Closing critical infrastructure such as the Bay Bridge is not merely inconvenient or dangerous. Lengthy prison terms are warranted.
  - potato3732842 2y ago
    While I agree on paper it's a serious crime I have a hard time taking it seriously when the same government agencies have no problem doing partial or full closures when it suits them.
    - millzlane 2y ago
      I understand what you're saying, but if the government shuts down a road partially or even fully, it's usually not because they just want to be dicks.
      - potato3732842 2y ago
        I agree, but it's just as much of a nasty surprise to everyone dependent upon that infrastructure and you don't really know or care what the source of the obstruction is, you just know that traffic isn't moving. At the end of the day it's just so hard for me to give a crap about a law and order type crime when there's god knows how many career petty criminals doing their thing in the same jurisdiction that aren't having these methods applied to them.
        brian-armstrong 2y ago
        Your indifference is your problem. Don't try to foist it on other people.
        millzlane 2y ago
        Traffic alerts used to be a real problem. They still do broadcast it on A.M. radio. But now in my state it's posted all online. You can see just about everything closures and all down to the lane and mile marker and even cameras of your route you can see streams of.
gnabgib 2y ago
Related Bay Area cops are getting a new Siri-type tool for fighting sideshows (24 points, 1 day ago, 52 comments) Strange timing
- millzlane 2y ago
  Honestly this is one of the most passive ways to try to combat it but living in a city with shot spotter (Baltimore) I don't think it will be very effective. Police will still have to travel to the scene. Now get one of those spy planes in the air, and I think you'll shut that shit down quick.
millzlane 2y ago
In high-school we met in the biggest and barren parking lots or industrial parks we could find and do it there. But in the last 10-15 years being driven away from private lots (Rightfully so), the only place people can do it (whenever they want), is large intersections and highways. I don't like or agree with it. But I suspect that is part of the reason sideshows have now culminated in streets being taken over. We still do money nights once in a while but it's a smaller group and it's not advertised on social media and we go to empty roads outside of the city or in the industry parks with newly paved roads into the place. The race track is good too but it's only open friday-monday for stuff like that (mostly drag racing) but not a lot of spinning tires or drifting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideshow_(automobile_exhibition) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideshow_(automobile_exhibitio...
encoderer 2y ago
There is a sense of entitlement to petty crime in the Bay Area and I’m really happy to see progress here.
more_corn 2y ago
Good

12 points by philip1209 2y ago

TIL. Apparently "sideshow" means blocking the whole traffic (one way) to have illegal street racing or burning tires, etc.

ihumanable 2y ago
Sideshows are the dumbest thing. I live in an area where people do sideshows. Midnight, a dozen or so cars and then a hundred or more random people will show up and make a racket squealing around. More than once they’ve crashed and caused injuries and property damage. For what? Even if they succeed in not destroying their vehicles, other innocent people’s property, or maim someone it’s a loud pointless nothing. It’s not a competition, it’s just being loud and smells awful. I don’t even get how it’s a show, it’s literally just cars doing donuts… how many times do you have to see that before it’s boring, once? Who goes to these things
rasz 2y ago
I wonder if sideshows even existed in the wild before release of The Fast and the Furious (2001) movie.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  > I wonder if sideshows even existed in the wild before release of The Fast and the Furious (2001) movie Yes, the Wikipedia article on them notes that they started in Oakland in the 1980s, and points to specific city responses to try to combat them from the mid-1990s. The movies were probably a contributor to the spread of the phenomenon, though.

potato3732842 2y ago

It really rubs me the wrong way when the cops prioritize this sort of enforcement because it really lays bare that they don't care about harm reduction or protecting good people, they care about using their jackboot to stomp anyone who gives the bird to their authority. The fact that they're using the surveillance state to do it is just the cherry on top. I get that side shows are inconvenient an dangerous but the acute danger is mostly limited to people who consent to their exposure and it's not like there isn't a huge backlog of criminals who's crimes necessarily create victims in the bay area to be going after. Edit: While I agree on paper it should be a serious crime to DOS infrastructure I have a hard time taking it seriously when the same government agencies have no problem doing partial or full closures when it suits them. Additionally many people would happily condone the blocking of similar infrastructure by a few hundred person protest but a few hundred people watching a dozen cars do dumb things for entertainment is not treated the same even if the result is the same.

baggy_trough 2y ago
Closing critical infrastructure such as the Bay Bridge is not merely inconvenient or dangerous. Lengthy prison terms are warranted.
- potato3732842 2y ago
  While I agree on paper it's a serious crime I have a hard time taking it seriously when the same government agencies have no problem doing partial or full closures when it suits them.
  - millzlane 2y ago
    I understand what you're saying, but if the government shuts down a road partially or even fully, it's usually not because they just want to be dicks.
    - potato3732842 2y ago
      I agree, but it's just as much of a nasty surprise to everyone dependent upon that infrastructure and you don't really know or care what the source of the obstruction is, you just know that traffic isn't moving. At the end of the day it's just so hard for me to give a crap about a law and order type crime when there's god knows how many career petty criminals doing their thing in the same jurisdiction that aren't having these methods applied to them.
      - brian-armstrong 2y ago
        Your indifference is your problem. Don't try to foist it on other people.
      - millzlane 2y ago
        Traffic alerts used to be a real problem. They still do broadcast it on A.M. radio. But now in my state it's posted all online. You can see just about everything closures and all down to the lane and mile marker and even cameras of your route you can see streams of.

gnabgib 2y ago

Related Bay Area cops are getting a new Siri-type tool for fighting sideshows (24 points, 1 day ago, 52 comments) Strange timing

millzlane 2y ago
Honestly this is one of the most passive ways to try to combat it but living in a city with shot spotter (Baltimore) I don't think it will be very effective. Police will still have to travel to the scene. Now get one of those spy planes in the air, and I think you'll shut that shit down quick.

millzlane 2y ago

In high-school we met in the biggest and barren parking lots or industrial parks we could find and do it there. But in the last 10-15 years being driven away from private lots (Rightfully so), the only place people can do it (whenever they want), is large intersections and highways. I don't like or agree with it. But I suspect that is part of the reason sideshows have now culminated in streets being taken over. We still do money nights once in a while but it's a smaller group and it's not advertised on social media and we go to empty roads outside of the city or in the industry parks with newly paved roads into the place. The race track is good too but it's only open friday-monday for stuff like that (mostly drag racing) but not a lot of spinning tires or drifting. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideshow_(automobile_exhibition) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sideshow_(automobile_exhibitio...

encoderer 2y ago

There is a sense of entitlement to petty crime in the Bay Area and I’m really happy to see progress here.

more_corn 2y ago

Good