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For a number of years, a friend of mine has had a '99 Plymouth Prowler. If I were to base car popularity based solely on people coming up to ask about the car,

For a number of years, a friend of mine has had a '99 Plymouth Prowler. If I were to base car popularity based solely on people coming up to ask about the car, his would win hands down and you'd assume (naturally) that Plymouth just couldn't manufacture enough to keep up with demand. There's a huge difference between attention-grabbing looks to a vehicle that will have people stop you and ask about it and what people will actually buy when it comes time to buy their next car. It's tempting to point to its position as #3 overall as an overwhelming success but the EV market is comparatively small still so I'm not sure it's useful to put much stock in it. In terms of the negativity, I'd say that unlike other cars of similar design (like the Aztek) -- a way higher percentage of the panning I see online is about it not living up to its promised capabilities. There's loads of videos of Cybertrucks needing to be towed out of bad spots by other trucks, problems even when it isn't stuck because of how little its frame flexes, the additional torque wearing away tread on the tires much faster, etc. Some of those things can be engineered around and I'm sure Tesla engineers are working on it. I'd hazard a guess that the market share the Cybertruck is taking isn't any existing trucks but rather more "luxury-class" SUVs like Mercedes, Land Rover, and BMW.

TMWNN 2y ago
> For a number of years, a friend of mine has had a '99 Plymouth Prowler. If I were to base car popularity based solely on people coming up to ask about the car, his would win hands down and you'd assume (naturally) that Plymouth just couldn't manufacture enough to keep up with demand. There's a huge difference between attention-grabbing looks to a vehicle that will have people stop you and ask about it and what people will actually buy when it comes time to buy their next car. You should give sashank_1509 enough credit to be able to distinguish between the jokey/mocking questions your friend's Prowler gets, and the enthusiastic ones he reports receiving. >It's tempting to point to its position as #3 overall as an overwhelming success There is no other way to spin a $100K car being the #3 overall EV vehicle of any type other than a success, especially given that a) #1 and #2 are also Tesla vehicles, and b) one of them was the world's best-selling car of any kind, EV or not, in 2023.
- sabbaticaldev 2y ago
  > There is no other way to spin a $100K car being the #3 overall EV vehicle of any type other than a success, especially given that they have the US government block competition
  - Sabinus 2y ago
    Only from China. Non-communist non-dumping, friendly states are welcome to compete.
    - tredre3 2y ago
      50% of Telsas are made in China. China built Teslas are noticeably better built, too. Welcome to reality.
      - Sabinus 2y ago
        >they have the US government block competition >Only from China. Non-communist non-dumping, friendly states are welcome to compete. >50% of Telsas are made in China. China built Teslas are noticeably better built, too. Please explain how your comment relates to mine, because I see no connection.
    - Qwertious 2y ago
      People keep assuming China is only successful because they're dumping, and miss the elephant in the room: China went all-in on EVs over a decade ago, while we were fucking about with hybrids and maybe-just-stick-with-ICE. They have world-class batteries and insatiable domestic demand and it's been that way since before Tesla, what if China is undercutting us because their cars are just better? In that case our tarrifs are just protectionism, is what.
      - cvalka 2y ago
        100℅
      - 2y ago

TMWNN 2y ago

> For a number of years, a friend of mine has had a '99 Plymouth Prowler. If I were to base car popularity based solely on people coming up to ask about the car, his would win hands down and you'd assume (naturally) that Plymouth just couldn't manufacture enough to keep up with demand. There's a huge difference between attention-grabbing looks to a vehicle that will have people stop you and ask about it and what people will actually buy when it comes time to buy their next car. You should give sashank_1509 enough credit to be able to distinguish between the jokey/mocking questions your friend's Prowler gets, and the enthusiastic ones he reports receiving. >It's tempting to point to its position as #3 overall as an overwhelming success There is no other way to spin a $100K car being the #3 overall EV vehicle of any type other than a success, especially given that a) #1 and #2 are also Tesla vehicles, and b) one of them was the world's best-selling car of any kind, EV or not, in 2023.

sabbaticaldev 2y ago
> There is no other way to spin a $100K car being the #3 overall EV vehicle of any type other than a success, especially given that they have the US government block competition
- Sabinus 2y ago
  Only from China. Non-communist non-dumping, friendly states are welcome to compete.
  - tredre3 2y ago
    50% of Telsas are made in China. China built Teslas are noticeably better built, too. Welcome to reality.
    - Sabinus 2y ago
      >they have the US government block competition >Only from China. Non-communist non-dumping, friendly states are welcome to compete. >50% of Telsas are made in China. China built Teslas are noticeably better built, too. Please explain how your comment relates to mine, because I see no connection.
  - Qwertious 2y ago
    People keep assuming China is only successful because they're dumping, and miss the elephant in the room: China went all-in on EVs over a decade ago, while we were fucking about with hybrids and maybe-just-stick-with-ICE. They have world-class batteries and insatiable domestic demand and it's been that way since before Tesla, what if China is undercutting us because their cars are just better? In that case our tarrifs are just protectionism, is what.
    - cvalka 2y ago
      100℅
    - 2y ago