I think he's saying that the nuclear winter is the dystopian scenario. The technology that allows you to survive the dystopia is not, by itself, dystopian. The

I think he's saying that the nuclear winter is the dystopian scenario. The technology that allows you to survive the dystopia is not, by itself, dystopian. The technology that creates the dystopia (like nuclear weapons) are dystopian. Worth noting that this same technology could let us reduce US agricultural land use by ~80-90% and rewild those same lands. Is having vast tracts of unspoiled wilderness "dystopian"?