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Well anyone can buy ads so it's not really an oligarchy. What alternative would you propose for candidates to get they're name out?

Biganon 2y ago
Equal time on national television, by law. Like they do in France for example.
- thrance 2y ago
  Honestly it doesn't work that well. Far-rights channels will push left-wing candidates to graveyard slots, or put them against 3 trained "interviewers", etc. Maybe it's still better than in the US? It's far from perfect.
  - Mordisquitos 2y ago
    In Spain at least, radio and TV time slots for political ads are assigned by the Electoral Commission in a session which can be attended by representatives of each candidacy.
- addaon 2y ago
  So replace oligopoly with gerontocracy? Who consumes national television?
  - Mordisquitos 2y ago
    Then enforce equal slots per online platform and forbid targeting by demographic cohort.
    - mh- 2y ago
      I'm genuinely curious how this works. What constitutes a platform? Is TikTok a platform? Reddit? HN?
      - anigbrowl 2y ago
        Why don't you make a proposal for what you think is the best approach?
    - unclad5968 2y ago
      Fortunately our government can't force private entities to sponsor specific political candidates, due to our constitutional right to freedom of speech.
- unclad5968 2y ago
  As in state sponsored television? No one is watching CSPAN to learn anything about candidates.
  - anigbrowl 2y ago
    Yes, that's the problem. American media is a sewer which tends inexorably toward the lowest common denominator, with dismal effects on its polity.
  - thfuran 2y ago
    They might if that's the only way to see political debates and such.
digdugdirk 2y ago
Ah yes, I'm extremely glad that both myself and Charles Koch have the equal right to buy ads. I see no problems that could ever occur because we're equally legally allowed to spend unlimited money on political advertising. Now... How many ads will 5 bucks buy? I'm pretty deeply in debt, but I could probably skip a meal in order to fully exercise my political freedom.
sweeter 2y ago
anyone can buy ads but who buys the majority of ads and ads with the greatest overall impact and impression? That is very obviously skewed. Campaigns directly have limitations on these things, PACs however, do not. and to your question there, one example is to look at Japan. They give candidates an allotted minimum amount of time on TV for free. A candidate gets platformed purely by running. Not only that but we already do grass roots calling/texting/door-knocking campaigns... it is all definitely possible, but unlikely given that the current organization of elections heavily favors the entrenched two party system and the structures that back them (corporations, PACs, private interests, party structures etc...) When our entire system requires billions to run and win an election, we are guaranteeing ourselves that we will continue to live in an Oligarchy.
- AftHurrahWinch 2y ago
  > and to your question there, one example is to look at Japan. They give candidates an allotted minimum amount of time on TV for free. A candidate gets platformed purely by running. I would be willing to try it in one of our laboratories-of-democracy, but my expectation is that a lot of people would run just for the free opportunity to self-promote. "Hi my name is Ron Popeil and I'm running for city council. I firmly believe that every homeowner deserves, nay, needs a Ronco food dehydrator!"
  - School-Cotton 2y ago
    I don't know about Japan but in France at least there is some minimum threshold to prevent totally unserious random people from running. For example when I lived in France during the 2007 presidential election you needed 500 elected officials (mayors etc.) to vouch that you are a serious candidate. This threshold meant that there were 12 official candidates, unlike the hundreds in US elections, but those 12 were treated equally.
gosub100 2y ago
How about advertising anything other than a product or service is illegal? No more campaign ads, period. You want to know more about a candidate? Go research her yourself!

Biganon 2y ago

Equal time on national television, by law. Like they do in France for example.

thrance 2y ago
Honestly it doesn't work that well. Far-rights channels will push left-wing candidates to graveyard slots, or put them against 3 trained "interviewers", etc. Maybe it's still better than in the US? It's far from perfect.
- Mordisquitos 2y ago
  In Spain at least, radio and TV time slots for political ads are assigned by the Electoral Commission in a session which can be attended by representatives of each candidacy.
addaon 2y ago
So replace oligopoly with gerontocracy? Who consumes national television?
- Mordisquitos 2y ago
  Then enforce equal slots per online platform and forbid targeting by demographic cohort.
  - mh- 2y ago
    I'm genuinely curious how this works. What constitutes a platform? Is TikTok a platform? Reddit? HN?
    - anigbrowl 2y ago
      Why don't you make a proposal for what you think is the best approach?
  - unclad5968 2y ago
    Fortunately our government can't force private entities to sponsor specific political candidates, due to our constitutional right to freedom of speech.
unclad5968 2y ago
As in state sponsored television? No one is watching CSPAN to learn anything about candidates.
- anigbrowl 2y ago
  Yes, that's the problem. American media is a sewer which tends inexorably toward the lowest common denominator, with dismal effects on its polity.
- thfuran 2y ago
  They might if that's the only way to see political debates and such.

digdugdirk 2y ago

Ah yes, I'm extremely glad that both myself and Charles Koch have the equal right to buy ads. I see no problems that could ever occur because we're equally legally allowed to spend unlimited money on political advertising. Now... How many ads will 5 bucks buy? I'm pretty deeply in debt, but I could probably skip a meal in order to fully exercise my political freedom.

sweeter 2y ago

anyone can buy ads but who buys the majority of ads and ads with the greatest overall impact and impression? That is very obviously skewed. Campaigns directly have limitations on these things, PACs however, do not. and to your question there, one example is to look at Japan. They give candidates an allotted minimum amount of time on TV for free. A candidate gets platformed purely by running. Not only that but we already do grass roots calling/texting/door-knocking campaigns... it is all definitely possible, but unlikely given that the current organization of elections heavily favors the entrenched two party system and the structures that back them (corporations, PACs, private interests, party structures etc...) When our entire system requires billions to run and win an election, we are guaranteeing ourselves that we will continue to live in an Oligarchy.

AftHurrahWinch 2y ago
> and to your question there, one example is to look at Japan. They give candidates an allotted minimum amount of time on TV for free. A candidate gets platformed purely by running. I would be willing to try it in one of our laboratories-of-democracy, but my expectation is that a lot of people would run just for the free opportunity to self-promote. "Hi my name is Ron Popeil and I'm running for city council. I firmly believe that every homeowner deserves, nay, needs a Ronco food dehydrator!"
- School-Cotton 2y ago
  I don't know about Japan but in France at least there is some minimum threshold to prevent totally unserious random people from running. For example when I lived in France during the 2007 presidential election you needed 500 elected officials (mayors etc.) to vouch that you are a serious candidate. This threshold meant that there were 12 official candidates, unlike the hundreds in US elections, but those 12 were treated equally.

gosub100 2y ago

How about advertising anything other than a product or service is illegal? No more campaign ads, period. You want to know more about a candidate? Go research her yourself!