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I think the take-away from this is that EV market in the US is a long-ways away from economy cars when the #3 selling car is $100k. You can't even find middlin

by Spivak 2y ago

I think the take-away from this is that EV market in the US is a long-ways away from economy cars when the #3 selling car is $100k. You can't even find middling used EVs for sub $20k. They're all just Chevy Bolts people were desperate to unload.

HWR_14 2y ago
I thought the Bolt had a good reputation. What's wrong with them?
- efields 2y ago
  No L2 charging for one.
  - wffurr 2y ago
    What do you mean? All Bolts support level 2 charging via the standard J1772 adapter up to 7.2 kW or 11.8 kW depending on model year. Level 3 charging aka DC fast charging was an option on them, so not all have the extra pins needed for a CCS charger. I'm pretty happy with my 2017 Bolt which has the DC fast charging option. I wish it had distance-keeping cruise control; it's frustrating because it has the cameras and will even report following distance on the dash, but doesn't have the adaptive cruise feature for whatever reason. I also wish it charged a bit faster; 50 kW max is a little slow for road trips. Next car is probably a 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5, which has has both features and is also pretty reasonable. Prices on the used models are slowly coming down.
- jeffbee 2y ago
  Arguably their lack of extremely fast DC charging. But many of them got brand new replacement batteries, and the last wave off-lease have low miles. Looking at a wholesale price index, it seems that Bolt EUVs are $22-23k, which is similar to the prices of Model 3 (24-28k, but they don't separate standard and long range; the Bolt had only 1 variant).
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  I found the bolt to be very cramped.
bluGill 2y ago
New cars have always been expensive. The average car is 12 years old in the US, not many EVs were available in 2012, but a lot of used cars are older than that. Give it time and EVs will drop in price. Though with charging standards changing it will be a while just because some cars will not be chargeable.

by Spivak 2y ago

HWR_14 2y ago

I thought the Bolt had a good reputation. What's wrong with them?

efields 2y ago
No L2 charging for one.
- wffurr 2y ago
  What do you mean? All Bolts support level 2 charging via the standard J1772 adapter up to 7.2 kW or 11.8 kW depending on model year. Level 3 charging aka DC fast charging was an option on them, so not all have the extra pins needed for a CCS charger. I'm pretty happy with my 2017 Bolt which has the DC fast charging option. I wish it had distance-keeping cruise control; it's frustrating because it has the cameras and will even report following distance on the dash, but doesn't have the adaptive cruise feature for whatever reason. I also wish it charged a bit faster; 50 kW max is a little slow for road trips. Next car is probably a 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5, which has has both features and is also pretty reasonable. Prices on the used models are slowly coming down.
jeffbee 2y ago
Arguably their lack of extremely fast DC charging. But many of them got brand new replacement batteries, and the last wave off-lease have low miles. Looking at a wholesale price index, it seems that Bolt EUVs are $22-23k, which is similar to the prices of Model 3 (24-28k, but they don't separate standard and long range; the Bolt had only 1 variant).
throwaway48476 2y ago
I found the bolt to be very cramped.

bluGill 2y ago

New cars have always been expensive. The average car is 12 years old in the US, not many EVs were available in 2012, but a lot of used cars are older than that. Give it time and EVs will drop in price. Though with charging standards changing it will be a while just because some cars will not be chargeable.