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I wonder if all these other 'bonus' effects really just stem from the same root cause which is effectively food that is just really bad for us. So if you eat l

I wonder if all these other 'bonus' effects really just stem from the same root cause which is effectively food that is just really bad for us. So if you eat less poison, you get a lot healthier - not just slimmer.

justmarc 2y ago
This, and most likely a lot of this "research" will be debunked in due time (years, decades), and new, currently unknown side effects will come to light. How can some engineered drug be a solution to a life choice problem? Typical human behavior to look for easy "solutions" that don't actually solve anything, just delay or temporarily mitigate a problem.
- sodality2 2y ago
  Is your opposition to these drugs that you think the patients haven't somehow earned the right to be rid of their ailments, or that they have side-effects (thyroid problems, yo-yo problems for weight lost, etc)? The first one is a moral judgment, the second one is a claim that should be backed by evidence.
- tshaddox 2y ago
  Why would engineering (of anything!) be a valid approach to some problems but not others? If I want to move cars across a body of water then engineering is a great approach. Why would it not also be a great approach if I want to change my eating habits?
- consteval 2y ago
  > life choice problem Not this simple. Choice isn't binary, it's incredibly complex. There're millions of individual little effects that go into each and every one of your choices. You actually have no idea how much influences you have over your "choices". In fact, almost everything you do in life is completely out of your control - you just do it, it's habit. Is brushing my teeth a choice? Certainly, I do it, but I also don't make that choice ever, it just happens. Why is it that some can drink every week and be fine, but some can't ever drink because they are alcoholics? Why is it that I am able to eat as much as I want, and I'm not fat? You could just be lucky enough that you do not have a propensity to overeat. Neither do I. But be humble, have some humility. You and I are privileged. I did nothing to earn this. I eat what I want, when I want. It's merely a coincidence the what and when happens to not harm me.
  - valval 2y ago
    I agree that you should be grateful for each moment you spend on this planet. I don’t agree that you’re not allowed to be proud of the condition you spend those moments in.
    - consteval 2y ago
      You're not allowed to be proud of your condition if you did nothing to earn it. I'm skinny, I did nothing to earn it. I could be proud, but that's rather sad and pathetic, no? I would rather be proud of my achievements. I suppose if you don't have those, you might settle on pride in something more superficial.
  - justmarc 2y ago
    I fully accept it's not all a matter of choice, but choice can also in many cases fix the situation.
    - consteval 2y ago
      Incorrect, because if this was the case nobody would be obese. I would say almost every single obese person doesn't want to be obese. And every single alcoholic doesn't want to be an alcoholic. What you're suggesting might work FOR YOU. That doesn't mean it's a solution. Look around you, is it working? No, right? Why then do you insist you're correct when every piece of evidence on this planet proves you wrong?
- bevesce- 2y ago
  I'm rather thin and fit. I eat mostly healthy food with some unhealthy indulgences from time to time (cold cuts, fatty cheese, bread, croissant from a bakery). I eat controlled portions so I don't lose or gain weight. I'm hungry all the time and quite miserable. I spend most of my wake time thinking about the next meal. What life choice should I make?
  - Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
    Same issue for me, but I do overeat because otherwise I cannot think. I go to the gym extensively, and yet I struggle to just maintain my weight I eat very healthy, I just eat too much.
bryanlarsen 2y ago
"the dose makes the poison" - Paracelsus
kubectl_h 2y ago
Near immediate moderation of alcohol consumption in many people who are taking this drug has nothing to do with what or how much they eat. It is altering the brain function in some way.
- tshaddox 2y ago
  I think I would count alcohol consumption as “eating” in this context.
  - kubectl_h 2y ago
    I'm not sure what point you are making here.
  - consteval 2y ago
    The motivations behind alcohol consumption and food consumption aren't the same. The one "link" between them is that both are susceptible to addictive triggers. I would say most obese people essentially function and think like alcoholics, except their coping substance is various unhealthy foods.
- bryanlarsen 2y ago
  When I'm dieting I crave beer. When I'm not dieting I prefer Gin or Scotch in moderate quantities. My body appears to know that alcohol contains calories.
  - soco 2y ago
    Your body appears to not know gin has much more alcohol than beer...

justmarc 2y ago

This, and most likely a lot of this "research" will be debunked in due time (years, decades), and new, currently unknown side effects will come to light. How can some engineered drug be a solution to a life choice problem? Typical human behavior to look for easy "solutions" that don't actually solve anything, just delay or temporarily mitigate a problem.

sodality2 2y ago
Is your opposition to these drugs that you think the patients haven't somehow earned the right to be rid of their ailments, or that they have side-effects (thyroid problems, yo-yo problems for weight lost, etc)? The first one is a moral judgment, the second one is a claim that should be backed by evidence.
tshaddox 2y ago
Why would engineering (of anything!) be a valid approach to some problems but not others? If I want to move cars across a body of water then engineering is a great approach. Why would it not also be a great approach if I want to change my eating habits?
consteval 2y ago
> life choice problem Not this simple. Choice isn't binary, it's incredibly complex. There're millions of individual little effects that go into each and every one of your choices. You actually have no idea how much influences you have over your "choices". In fact, almost everything you do in life is completely out of your control - you just do it, it's habit. Is brushing my teeth a choice? Certainly, I do it, but I also don't make that choice ever, it just happens. Why is it that some can drink every week and be fine, but some can't ever drink because they are alcoholics? Why is it that I am able to eat as much as I want, and I'm not fat? You could just be lucky enough that you do not have a propensity to overeat. Neither do I. But be humble, have some humility. You and I are privileged. I did nothing to earn this. I eat what I want, when I want. It's merely a coincidence the what and when happens to not harm me.
- valval 2y ago
  I agree that you should be grateful for each moment you spend on this planet. I don’t agree that you’re not allowed to be proud of the condition you spend those moments in.
  - consteval 2y ago
    You're not allowed to be proud of your condition if you did nothing to earn it. I'm skinny, I did nothing to earn it. I could be proud, but that's rather sad and pathetic, no? I would rather be proud of my achievements. I suppose if you don't have those, you might settle on pride in something more superficial.
- justmarc 2y ago
  I fully accept it's not all a matter of choice, but choice can also in many cases fix the situation.
  - consteval 2y ago
    Incorrect, because if this was the case nobody would be obese. I would say almost every single obese person doesn't want to be obese. And every single alcoholic doesn't want to be an alcoholic. What you're suggesting might work FOR YOU. That doesn't mean it's a solution. Look around you, is it working? No, right? Why then do you insist you're correct when every piece of evidence on this planet proves you wrong?
bevesce- 2y ago
I'm rather thin and fit. I eat mostly healthy food with some unhealthy indulgences from time to time (cold cuts, fatty cheese, bread, croissant from a bakery). I eat controlled portions so I don't lose or gain weight. I'm hungry all the time and quite miserable. I spend most of my wake time thinking about the next meal. What life choice should I make?
- Fire-Dragon-DoL 2y ago
  Same issue for me, but I do overeat because otherwise I cannot think. I go to the gym extensively, and yet I struggle to just maintain my weight I eat very healthy, I just eat too much.

bryanlarsen 2y ago

"the dose makes the poison" - Paracelsus

kubectl_h 2y ago

Near immediate moderation of alcohol consumption in many people who are taking this drug has nothing to do with what or how much they eat. It is altering the brain function in some way.

tshaddox 2y ago
I think I would count alcohol consumption as “eating” in this context.
- kubectl_h 2y ago
  I'm not sure what point you are making here.
- consteval 2y ago
  The motivations behind alcohol consumption and food consumption aren't the same. The one "link" between them is that both are susceptible to addictive triggers. I would say most obese people essentially function and think like alcoholics, except their coping substance is various unhealthy foods.
bryanlarsen 2y ago
When I'm dieting I crave beer. When I'm not dieting I prefer Gin or Scotch in moderate quantities. My body appears to know that alcohol contains calories.
- soco 2y ago
  Your body appears to not know gin has much more alcohol than beer...