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It's okay. We go through this every 10 years or so, for at least the last 100 years. The market doesn't really have the patience to wait to see the aggregate o

It's okay. We go through this every 10 years or so, for at least the last 100 years. The market doesn't really have the patience to wait to see the aggregate or long-term effects of new "pop culture" drugs and formulations so we just charge ahead and then let another generation deal with whatever mess. When the pharmaceutical companies really luck out, the cleanup can even come through yet another such wonder drug.

VoodooJuJu 2y ago
Oh you just done a heckin double badspeak. Not only are you not trusting my science, but you're slandering my big pharma. Big mistake. Thats a downvote.
- consteval 2y ago
  I don't know what category of comment this is but can we please make this go away
Extropy_ 2y ago
This is exactly right. Let the market decide. If people want to use new experimental drugs, why not let them have at it. They oughta be responsible for their choices
- fragmede 2y ago
  Ozempic was approved for medical use by the FDA in diabetics in 2017, seven years ago. Meaning it passed phase 1, 2, and 3 trials. So it's not exactly an experimental research out of China like a brand new fentanyl analogue.
  - Extropy_ 2y ago
    You're right. I'm not saying the chemical or using it in of itself is dangerous
PNewling 2y ago
Not trying to argue, more just curious, what drugs are you referring to with this comment?
- fragmede 2y ago
  Meth and cocaine (and cigarettes) were all touted as weight loss drugs in the past before they were made illegal.
  - berbec 2y ago
    Don't forget my favorite weight-loss medicine: tapeworm eggs. 0: https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/https://media.salon.com/2018/01/tapeworm-ad.jpg https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/https://media.salon....
- swatcoder 2y ago
  We can go back to the boom of distilled spirits in the 19th century, but that's kind of cheat because it predates modern drug regulation and aren't seen as medical since people just make and consume them privately. Or the boom of compounded tinctures at the turn of the century, but again, that's kind of a cheat, because it becomes the impetus for modern regulation and was full of all kinds of wild crap. But once we have regulation, we get the wartime boom of amphetamines and stimulants for energy and weight-loss; the mid-century boom of early barbiturates, tranquilizers, and sleeping pills; another boom of new stimulants and weight-loss drugs in the eighties, along with a boom of anabolic steroids; another boom of anti-anxiety drugs in the benzodiazepem class, as well as new anti-depressants; then a boom of opioid painkillers with purportedly "abuse preventing" formulations; etc Each of these booms was absurdly popular during its heyday, generating tremendous amounts of revenue and reaching into countless homes, variously disturbing both physical health and familial/emotional security in significant ways, and then was turned against because of all the secondary effects that they brought with them. In many cases, these secondary effects were noted early on but simply held in denial because of how freaking much people wanted to feel more energized or calmer or more rested or thinner or whatever in a world that seemed to be putting impossible demands on them. In other cases, people just didn't know where to look for the secondary effects and so they weren't anticipated. In either case, the drugs always looked really rosy to the public and generally delivered on their prima facie promises. Socially, these drugs are fitting an almost identical profile. Medically, maybe they'll finally prove to be the exception. We'll have to see.

VoodooJuJu 2y ago

Oh you just done a heckin double badspeak. Not only are you not trusting my science, but you're slandering my big pharma. Big mistake. Thats a downvote.

consteval 2y ago
I don't know what category of comment this is but can we please make this go away

Extropy_ 2y ago

This is exactly right. Let the market decide. If people want to use new experimental drugs, why not let them have at it. They oughta be responsible for their choices

fragmede 2y ago
Ozempic was approved for medical use by the FDA in diabetics in 2017, seven years ago. Meaning it passed phase 1, 2, and 3 trials. So it's not exactly an experimental research out of China like a brand new fentanyl analogue.
- Extropy_ 2y ago
  You're right. I'm not saying the chemical or using it in of itself is dangerous

PNewling 2y ago

Not trying to argue, more just curious, what drugs are you referring to with this comment?

fragmede 2y ago
Meth and cocaine (and cigarettes) were all touted as weight loss drugs in the past before they were made illegal.
- berbec 2y ago
  Don't forget my favorite weight-loss medicine: tapeworm eggs. 0: https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/https://media.salon.com/2018/01/tapeworm-ad.jpg https://mediaproxy.salon.com/width/1200/https://media.salon....
swatcoder 2y ago
We can go back to the boom of distilled spirits in the 19th century, but that's kind of cheat because it predates modern drug regulation and aren't seen as medical since people just make and consume them privately. Or the boom of compounded tinctures at the turn of the century, but again, that's kind of a cheat, because it becomes the impetus for modern regulation and was full of all kinds of wild crap. But once we have regulation, we get the wartime boom of amphetamines and stimulants for energy and weight-loss; the mid-century boom of early barbiturates, tranquilizers, and sleeping pills; another boom of new stimulants and weight-loss drugs in the eighties, along with a boom of anabolic steroids; another boom of anti-anxiety drugs in the benzodiazepem class, as well as new anti-depressants; then a boom of opioid painkillers with purportedly "abuse preventing" formulations; etc Each of these booms was absurdly popular during its heyday, generating tremendous amounts of revenue and reaching into countless homes, variously disturbing both physical health and familial/emotional security in significant ways, and then was turned against because of all the secondary effects that they brought with them. In many cases, these secondary effects were noted early on but simply held in denial because of how freaking much people wanted to feel more energized or calmer or more rested or thinner or whatever in a world that seemed to be putting impossible demands on them. In other cases, people just didn't know where to look for the secondary effects and so they weren't anticipated. In either case, the drugs always looked really rosy to the public and generally delivered on their prima facie promises. Socially, these drugs are fitting an almost identical profile. Medically, maybe they'll finally prove to be the exception. We'll have to see.