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These stats seem like the reverse of the story in the headline > A quarter of smartphone owners (25%) don't find AI features helpful, So does that mean 75% _d

These stats seem like the reverse of the story in the headline > A quarter of smartphone owners (25%) don't find AI features helpful, So does that mean 75% _do_ find AI Feature helpful? > 45% are reluctant to pay a monthly subscription fee for AI capabilities Are 55% happy to pay a monthly fee? >34% have privacy concerns. 66% have no privacy concerns?

galleywest200 2y ago
The graph has multiple options for some of these. 45% unwilling to pay a monthly fee, 6% willing to pay a monthly fee.
devindotcom 2y ago
This data is in the article >So does that mean 75% _do_ find AI Feature helpful? 14% find it helpful >Are 55% happy to pay a monthly fee? 6% are willing to pay >66% have no privacy concerns? no stat on this but I think we can assume based on the others that it is not split evenly because that was not the methodology
- WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
  >>66% have no privacy concerns? > no stat on this but... I think we could presume an answer - if the respondents first received a full accounting of how their phones track and record their lives, along with a full list of who is getting that data.
- jonplackett 2y ago
  Thanks. That’s clearer! Ok my next comeback - people are treating AI tools like a musical instrument. It’s like picking up a guitar for the first time, twanging a few strings and saying ‘Nah, this sounds shit’. Guitars are useless. I’d never pay for a guitar. Even chatGPT has a learning curve. I save myself hours or days per day using it for all sorts of things. Anyone who says they can’t find a use for AI is just lazy and hasn’t tried hard.
  - recursive 2y ago
    Lazy? Is it a moral failing not to be interested in playing the guitar? I have no interest in guitar music, so why should I "try hard"?
    - jonplackett 2y ago
      I think you’re missing the point. There are lots of people who could benefit massively from using AI. Who have no moral objection to it. But they just dismiss it so quickly because it doesn’t instantly, magically make beautiful things for them. Anyone who cannot get something useful done by AI - who does want to do that - is lazy. It’s like saying in the 19th century - oh this electricity isn’t really useful for anything much beyond lights. What’s the point?
      - recursive 2y ago
        > There are lots of people who could benefit massively from using AI This might be the central point of the conflict. I believe there are a few people who can benefit a great deal. And I think lots of people could probably benefit a little. But I don't think lots of people could benefit massively. It just doesn't work that well.
  - scudsworth 2y ago
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    - dang 2y ago
      Whoa, personal attacks like this will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong another comment is or you feel it is. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting, we'd appreciate it.
Perz1val 2y ago
You can't say that unless you've seen the test. Was it an Yes/No question, "check relevant to you", or "write how you feel about AI features"? It would change responses drastically
lolinder 2y ago
The poll is very weirdly constructed. It looks like they gave people a set of checkboxes to check rather than asking people to rank their opinions on a scale. 25% checked the box saying they don't find AI tools helpful, but only 14% said they do. Which means 61% checked neither box. 45% are reluctant to pay, but only 6% said they were willing to. So again, 49% simply didn't say one way or the other. 12% straight-up didn't check any box at all.
- grahamj 2y ago
  > 25% checked the box saying they don't find AI tools helpful, but only 14% said they do. Which means 61% checked neither box. But why include people who didn’t pick anything? Surely they should be ignored and it ends up being 64/36.
  - lolinder 2y ago
    Yeah, it's bad. Excluding the people who checked neither is probably better, but it's still not perfect because it leaves out the people who read both options and would have said "undecided" if it were a choice. It's just a bad poll.
II2II 2y ago
The article provides insufficent data to answer any of those questions, since "don't know" or "undecided" are frequently options in such surveys. Yet they do provide sufficient information for the headline. AI integrations came in 7th place for considerations when upgrading a smartphone.
bluGill 2y ago
Those stats are wrong in another way - everything is about tradeoffs. If the AI is really good I can pay a price to use it - the price depends on how good it is. If the AI is really good I can ignore some privacy concerns - not all but some (indeed in order to work it probably must ignore some privacy concerns)

galleywest200 2y ago

The graph has multiple options for some of these. 45% unwilling to pay a monthly fee, 6% willing to pay a monthly fee.

devindotcom 2y ago

This data is in the article >So does that mean 75% _do_ find AI Feature helpful? 14% find it helpful >Are 55% happy to pay a monthly fee? 6% are willing to pay >66% have no privacy concerns? no stat on this but I think we can assume based on the others that it is not split evenly because that was not the methodology

WarOnPrivacy 2y ago
>>66% have no privacy concerns? > no stat on this but... I think we could presume an answer - if the respondents first received a full accounting of how their phones track and record their lives, along with a full list of who is getting that data.
jonplackett 2y ago
Thanks. That’s clearer! Ok my next comeback - people are treating AI tools like a musical instrument. It’s like picking up a guitar for the first time, twanging a few strings and saying ‘Nah, this sounds shit’. Guitars are useless. I’d never pay for a guitar. Even chatGPT has a learning curve. I save myself hours or days per day using it for all sorts of things. Anyone who says they can’t find a use for AI is just lazy and hasn’t tried hard.
- recursive 2y ago
  Lazy? Is it a moral failing not to be interested in playing the guitar? I have no interest in guitar music, so why should I "try hard"?
  - jonplackett 2y ago
    I think you’re missing the point. There are lots of people who could benefit massively from using AI. Who have no moral objection to it. But they just dismiss it so quickly because it doesn’t instantly, magically make beautiful things for them. Anyone who cannot get something useful done by AI - who does want to do that - is lazy. It’s like saying in the 19th century - oh this electricity isn’t really useful for anything much beyond lights. What’s the point?
    - recursive 2y ago
      > There are lots of people who could benefit massively from using AI This might be the central point of the conflict. I believe there are a few people who can benefit a great deal. And I think lots of people could probably benefit a little. But I don't think lots of people could benefit massively. It just doesn't work that well.
- scudsworth 2y ago
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  - dang 2y ago
    Whoa, personal attacks like this will get you banned here, regardless of how wrong another comment is or you feel it is. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting, we'd appreciate it.

Perz1val 2y ago

You can't say that unless you've seen the test. Was it an Yes/No question, "check relevant to you", or "write how you feel about AI features"? It would change responses drastically

lolinder 2y ago

The poll is very weirdly constructed. It looks like they gave people a set of checkboxes to check rather than asking people to rank their opinions on a scale. 25% checked the box saying they don't find AI tools helpful, but only 14% said they do. Which means 61% checked neither box. 45% are reluctant to pay, but only 6% said they were willing to. So again, 49% simply didn't say one way or the other. 12% straight-up didn't check any box at all.

grahamj 2y ago
> 25% checked the box saying they don't find AI tools helpful, but only 14% said they do. Which means 61% checked neither box. But why include people who didn’t pick anything? Surely they should be ignored and it ends up being 64/36.
- lolinder 2y ago
  Yeah, it's bad. Excluding the people who checked neither is probably better, but it's still not perfect because it leaves out the people who read both options and would have said "undecided" if it were a choice. It's just a bad poll.

II2II 2y ago

The article provides insufficent data to answer any of those questions, since "don't know" or "undecided" are frequently options in such surveys. Yet they do provide sufficient information for the headline. AI integrations came in 7th place for considerations when upgrading a smartphone.

bluGill 2y ago

Those stats are wrong in another way - everything is about tradeoffs. If the AI is really good I can pay a price to use it - the price depends on how good it is. If the AI is really good I can ignore some privacy concerns - not all but some (indeed in order to work it probably must ignore some privacy concerns)