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I'd rather have flagship specs in a smaller package. The smallest in the iPhone (SE) and Pixel ("A"?) lines are still too big and tend to have previous-gen spec

I'd rather have flagship specs in a smaller package. The smallest in the iPhone (SE) and Pixel ("A"?) lines are still too big and tend to have previous-gen specs

dwayne_dibley 2y ago
Same boat. 'upgraded' my iphone mini to a 15 and hate it. Far far to big.
tra3 2y ago
I’ve got an appointment with Apple to replace the battery in my iPhone 13 mini. I would love the new features (especially the camera and sat comm) but I’m not willing to get a bigger form factor device.
- efficax 2y ago
  there are dozens of us! dozens!!! i’m also keeping my 13 mini until it’s dead
  - tra3 2y ago
    I’ll upgrade the second a new mini comes out…but I’m keeping it for now.
- diggan 2y ago
  > I’ve got an appointment with Apple to replace the battery in my iPhone 13 mini. I literally was in the Apple store yesterday for the same purpose (with a 12 mini). I'd also love the new features and hardware, but after trying all the available sizes in the store, they're all too big. My wife on the other hand(s), loves to have a phone she needs to hold with two hands to even be able to use, so obviously she has the Pro Max. I don't understand how people are OK with that, but to each and their own...
  - auxreturn 2y ago
    To each their own, except apple's not making new mini form-factor iphones anymore so us mini preferrers will at some point not have our own.
  - soco 2y ago
    There still are people using tablets for calling, taking selfies and whatever else. I think it was a more common sight earlier (the times of the first iPads) but they are definitely still around. I can explain this even less...
- jihadjihad 2y ago
  I need a new battery in my 2020 SE as well, I wasn't aware that the last mini was a 13. Bring 'em back!
- vvladymyrov 2y ago
  Good luck. I’ve tried to replace battery in mine 12 mini last week - with no success. I had to leave my phone for 4 hours or several days (if they brake screen during battery replacement, they will wait for replacement phone to be shipped overnight). Also representative was convincing me to buy a new phone - saying that battery replacement won’t help much because new ios versions has features which high battery usages, while newer iphones has larger battery and hardware optimizations for these new features. I’m thinking about iPhone 16 now while keeping iPhone 12 mini as backup phone.
  - Syonyk 2y ago
    So do the swap yourself. Part and kit: https://www.ifixit.com/products/iphone-12-mini-replacement-battery https://www.ifixit.com/products/iphone-12-mini-replacement-b... Steps: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+12+mini+Battery+Replacement/139693 https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+12+mini+Battery+Replacem...
    - vvladymyrov 2y ago
      I've successfully have replaced batteries and displays in older iphones (mainly iphone 6). But with newer iphones opening the phone is more complex. I've read online and heard from Apple Store representative that iPhone 12 (all models) has tendency to crack the screen when phone is opened for repair or battery replacement and in that case Apple Store would replace the hole phone (this is were multi day repair process). So I would rather pay $90 to Apple that guarantees that I'll get a phone replacement in case when screen is broken during battery replacement. Without the phone I sill would be able to answer the cell calls from Apple Watch and with ipad over WiFi.
  - tra3 2y ago
    Oh boy I hope that doesn’t happen to me. It took them a week to get iPhone 13 mini battery in.
    - vvladymyrov 2y ago
      They would tell you and you would notice if your phone was replaced - it would have new serial and 2FA apps won't work on a new phone without reregistration. Most likely it took them a week to get a new battery for replacement shipped.
- shafyy 2y ago
  I just replaced the battery in my iPhone SE 2nd gen last month. Somehow I didn't know that that was possible. Best 80 € spent ever.
mmmore 2y ago
Unfortunately, people don't buy small phones as much. https://youtu.be/iR9zBsKELVs?si=3o1qD-4R7lyezZwt https://youtu.be/iR9zBsKELVs?si=3o1qD-4R7lyezZwt
- bluGill 2y ago
  There are a lot of different phones. People don't buy Sony as much as Samsung.
dageshi 2y ago
I've been hearing this sentiment for 10+ years, but it's been tried and each time it's tried it doesn't sell well enough.
- iscrewyou 2y ago
  It’s a package of devices Apple is selling. They sell under powered smaller screen macs. They sell iMacs. They sell small iPads. They sell smaller watches. Some of these just don’t sell as well as their other offerings. They should sell small phones. Because the whole family will be in on the brand, features, and services. I’ve heard many family members and friends say that they won’t give up their older small phones because Apple no longer makes new ones. The idea that they don’t sell well is not a good enough reason when you are trying to capture the whole market for not just hardware but the lock in for services, apps, games, music, etc.
  - yreg 2y ago
    How can you be confident in this when you don't even see their sales data? Still, I would like to see a smaller regularly updated phone. Bonus points if there is a high-end version, because small shouldn't mean budget (like with iPhone SE).
    - hedora 2y ago
      The last small flagship (iPhone 13 mini) sold poorly, but it was much more expensive than the SE2. This was at the tail end of covid, but before faceid worked with masks, so the SE's touch id was a huge selling point. Other than that and the camera, the only functional difference I can find are that the SE line is still missing the UWB antenna. I'd happily upgrade to a newer small iPhone if they made one. As it is, it looks like the only option is repeatedly repairing my 13 mini (and dealing with the hilariously bad 5G battery drain forever) or downgrading to a newer SE3. I know there are a lot of people in this boat. I predict they'll produce another small phone in a few years. It'll sell well due to pent up demand, and someone will be declared a genius for selling 100M's of extra phones that year.
knallfrosch 2y ago
Smaller components cost more than bigger ones and the mini users (me included) also want to spend less, not more.
tharant 2y ago
I feel like many of the commenters in this thread are asking (sometimes demanding) that their devices offer a duality that can’t be met; do you want smaller phones or do you want longer battery life with more compute? At the moment, those are mutually exclusive goals. Thermodynamics can be a PITA but we’re doing (almost) the best we can.

I'd rather have flagship specs in a smaller package. The smallest in the iPhone (SE) and Pixel ("A"?) lines are still too big and tend to have previous-gen specs

dwayne_dibley 2y ago

Same boat. 'upgraded' my iphone mini to a 15 and hate it. Far far to big.

tra3 2y ago

I’ve got an appointment with Apple to replace the battery in my iPhone 13 mini. I would love the new features (especially the camera and sat comm) but I’m not willing to get a bigger form factor device.

efficax 2y ago
there are dozens of us! dozens!!! i’m also keeping my 13 mini until it’s dead
- tra3 2y ago
  I’ll upgrade the second a new mini comes out…but I’m keeping it for now.
diggan 2y ago
> I’ve got an appointment with Apple to replace the battery in my iPhone 13 mini. I literally was in the Apple store yesterday for the same purpose (with a 12 mini). I'd also love the new features and hardware, but after trying all the available sizes in the store, they're all too big. My wife on the other hand(s), loves to have a phone she needs to hold with two hands to even be able to use, so obviously she has the Pro Max. I don't understand how people are OK with that, but to each and their own...
- auxreturn 2y ago
  To each their own, except apple's not making new mini form-factor iphones anymore so us mini preferrers will at some point not have our own.
- soco 2y ago
  There still are people using tablets for calling, taking selfies and whatever else. I think it was a more common sight earlier (the times of the first iPads) but they are definitely still around. I can explain this even less...
jihadjihad 2y ago
I need a new battery in my 2020 SE as well, I wasn't aware that the last mini was a 13. Bring 'em back!
vvladymyrov 2y ago
Good luck. I’ve tried to replace battery in mine 12 mini last week - with no success. I had to leave my phone for 4 hours or several days (if they brake screen during battery replacement, they will wait for replacement phone to be shipped overnight). Also representative was convincing me to buy a new phone - saying that battery replacement won’t help much because new ios versions has features which high battery usages, while newer iphones has larger battery and hardware optimizations for these new features. I’m thinking about iPhone 16 now while keeping iPhone 12 mini as backup phone.
- Syonyk 2y ago
  So do the swap yourself. Part and kit: https://www.ifixit.com/products/iphone-12-mini-replacement-battery https://www.ifixit.com/products/iphone-12-mini-replacement-b... Steps: https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+12+mini+Battery+Replacement/139693 https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/iPhone+12+mini+Battery+Replacem...
  - vvladymyrov 2y ago
    I've successfully have replaced batteries and displays in older iphones (mainly iphone 6). But with newer iphones opening the phone is more complex. I've read online and heard from Apple Store representative that iPhone 12 (all models) has tendency to crack the screen when phone is opened for repair or battery replacement and in that case Apple Store would replace the hole phone (this is were multi day repair process). So I would rather pay $90 to Apple that guarantees that I'll get a phone replacement in case when screen is broken during battery replacement. Without the phone I sill would be able to answer the cell calls from Apple Watch and with ipad over WiFi.
- tra3 2y ago
  Oh boy I hope that doesn’t happen to me. It took them a week to get iPhone 13 mini battery in.
  - vvladymyrov 2y ago
    They would tell you and you would notice if your phone was replaced - it would have new serial and 2FA apps won't work on a new phone without reregistration. Most likely it took them a week to get a new battery for replacement shipped.
shafyy 2y ago
I just replaced the battery in my iPhone SE 2nd gen last month. Somehow I didn't know that that was possible. Best 80 € spent ever.

mmmore 2y ago

Unfortunately, people don't buy small phones as much. https://youtu.be/iR9zBsKELVs?si=3o1qD-4R7lyezZwt https://youtu.be/iR9zBsKELVs?si=3o1qD-4R7lyezZwt

bluGill 2y ago
There are a lot of different phones. People don't buy Sony as much as Samsung.

dageshi 2y ago

I've been hearing this sentiment for 10+ years, but it's been tried and each time it's tried it doesn't sell well enough.

iscrewyou 2y ago
It’s a package of devices Apple is selling. They sell under powered smaller screen macs. They sell iMacs. They sell small iPads. They sell smaller watches. Some of these just don’t sell as well as their other offerings. They should sell small phones. Because the whole family will be in on the brand, features, and services. I’ve heard many family members and friends say that they won’t give up their older small phones because Apple no longer makes new ones. The idea that they don’t sell well is not a good enough reason when you are trying to capture the whole market for not just hardware but the lock in for services, apps, games, music, etc.
- yreg 2y ago
  How can you be confident in this when you don't even see their sales data? Still, I would like to see a smaller regularly updated phone. Bonus points if there is a high-end version, because small shouldn't mean budget (like with iPhone SE).
  - hedora 2y ago
    The last small flagship (iPhone 13 mini) sold poorly, but it was much more expensive than the SE2. This was at the tail end of covid, but before faceid worked with masks, so the SE's touch id was a huge selling point. Other than that and the camera, the only functional difference I can find are that the SE line is still missing the UWB antenna. I'd happily upgrade to a newer small iPhone if they made one. As it is, it looks like the only option is repeatedly repairing my 13 mini (and dealing with the hilariously bad 5G battery drain forever) or downgrading to a newer SE3. I know there are a lot of people in this boat. I predict they'll produce another small phone in a few years. It'll sell well due to pent up demand, and someone will be declared a genius for selling 100M's of extra phones that year.

knallfrosch 2y ago

Smaller components cost more than bigger ones and the mini users (me included) also want to spend less, not more.

tharant 2y ago

I feel like many of the commenters in this thread are asking (sometimes demanding) that their devices offer a duality that can’t be met; do you want smaller phones or do you want longer battery life with more compute? At the moment, those are mutually exclusive goals. Thermodynamics can be a PITA but we’re doing (almost) the best we can.