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I would highly recommend watching this side by side comparison video of the experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kswp1DwUAAI https://www.youtube.com/watc

I would highly recommend watching this side by side comparison video of the experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kswp1DwUAAI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kswp1DwUAAI

ra7 2y ago
It's apples-to-oranges comparison. One is doing it completely driverless and has to get it right every single time. The other has a driver ready to intervene and just needs a single intervention-free drive.
agildehaus 2y ago
I would recommend watching this video, where the same YouTuber is using FSD which takes an exit and needs intervention to avoid running directly into a divider. https://youtu.be/LbCGAN6Pk_c?t=2026 https://youtu.be/LbCGAN6Pk_c?t=2026
- lopkeny12ko 2y ago
  You seem to be stating this as some kind of gotcha. 1. Since that video, FSD 12.5.6.1 has been released, and v13 (which is what is rumored to have been used on Cybercab) is just around the corner. It is completely disingenuius to point to a video 7 months old (on FSD 12.3!) and insinuate that it is representative of the current experience. 2. In FSD, interventions are in your hands. With Waymo in the same situation, your fate lies solely in the remote operator watching your vehicle and how quickly they are able to react. FSD is obviously not perfect but the rate of interventions plummets with every new major release.
  - agildehaus 2y ago
    I have videos of safety critical interventions in v12.5. Here's one of it attempting to drive straight through a roundabout at 50 miles per hour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XagBTmpgw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XagBTmpgw Your understanding of remote support is entirely wrong. At no point can a remote operator "drive" a Waymo. They confirm or change plans when the car gets stuck -- that's it.
    - labcomputer 2y ago
      Are you serious? That driver “testing” FSD doesn’t seem to understand basic rules of the road, like that you are not supposed to stop at a roundabout.
      - agildehaus 2y ago
        You're not going to be taking that roundabout at 50 mph. That why, significantly before the roundabout, there's a 15 mph roundabout warning that FSD completely ignores.
    - lopkeny12ko 2y ago
      These comments on that video perfectly capture my reaction: > This is FUD. Who or what speeds up to 55 mph to enter a rotary? How is it that the posted limit and presumably map data indicates 55mp seconds before the rotary? What do you expect FSD which is training on humans using vision and the maps to do? I saw a dinky little rotary sign AT the rotary. I'd slam on the brakes or have an accident too. > Why would the car come to a stop? I don't see a stop sign, and most roundabouts are yield and I don't see another car blocking your way. Why enter a roundabout at 55? You are wrong, not the car or FSD. You don't know the correct way to drive a roundabout. FSD mimics human behavior. If you are speeding into a roundabout at 55 mph, you are the one in the wrong, not FSD. It's honestly kind of incredible the ridiculous lengths people go to try to discredit FSD.
      - FireBeyond 2y ago
        > > This is FUD. Who or what speeds up to 55 mph to enter a rotary? How is it that the posted limit and presumably map data indicates 55mp seconds before the rotary? What do you expect FSD which is training on humans using vision and the maps to do? I saw a dinky little rotary sign AT the rotary. I'd slam on the brakes or have an accident too. This is a laughable hot take. "seconds before". Watching the video, it starts with him at 43mph, and he drives at 55mph for FORTY SECONDS before encountering the roundabout. All these clowns saying "Oh, in the real world he'd have slowed down for that roundabout". No. He wouldn't have started slowing down two-thirds of a mile away (40 seconds at 55mph). This is a garbage argument.
  - UltraSane 2y ago
    Almost crashing the car IS a gotcha for any vehicle purporting to be autonomous. Especially when Musk seems to be betting Tesla on it working vastly better than it currently is.
- UltraSane 2y ago
  I will never understand how Tesla can get away with releasing such a broken product on the market and charging for it.

I would highly recommend watching this side by side comparison video of the experience: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kswp1DwUAAI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kswp1DwUAAI

ra7 2y ago

It's apples-to-oranges comparison. One is doing it completely driverless and has to get it right every single time. The other has a driver ready to intervene and just needs a single intervention-free drive.

agildehaus 2y ago

I would recommend watching this video, where the same YouTuber is using FSD which takes an exit and needs intervention to avoid running directly into a divider. https://youtu.be/LbCGAN6Pk_c?t=2026 https://youtu.be/LbCGAN6Pk_c?t=2026

lopkeny12ko 2y ago
You seem to be stating this as some kind of gotcha. 1. Since that video, FSD 12.5.6.1 has been released, and v13 (which is what is rumored to have been used on Cybercab) is just around the corner. It is completely disingenuius to point to a video 7 months old (on FSD 12.3!) and insinuate that it is representative of the current experience. 2. In FSD, interventions are in your hands. With Waymo in the same situation, your fate lies solely in the remote operator watching your vehicle and how quickly they are able to react. FSD is obviously not perfect but the rate of interventions plummets with every new major release.
- agildehaus 2y ago
  I have videos of safety critical interventions in v12.5. Here's one of it attempting to drive straight through a roundabout at 50 miles per hour: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XagBTmpgw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XagBTmpgw Your understanding of remote support is entirely wrong. At no point can a remote operator "drive" a Waymo. They confirm or change plans when the car gets stuck -- that's it.
  - labcomputer 2y ago
    Are you serious? That driver “testing” FSD doesn’t seem to understand basic rules of the road, like that you are not supposed to stop at a roundabout.
    - agildehaus 2y ago
      You're not going to be taking that roundabout at 50 mph. That why, significantly before the roundabout, there's a 15 mph roundabout warning that FSD completely ignores.
  - lopkeny12ko 2y ago
    These comments on that video perfectly capture my reaction: > This is FUD. Who or what speeds up to 55 mph to enter a rotary? How is it that the posted limit and presumably map data indicates 55mp seconds before the rotary? What do you expect FSD which is training on humans using vision and the maps to do? I saw a dinky little rotary sign AT the rotary. I'd slam on the brakes or have an accident too. > Why would the car come to a stop? I don't see a stop sign, and most roundabouts are yield and I don't see another car blocking your way. Why enter a roundabout at 55? You are wrong, not the car or FSD. You don't know the correct way to drive a roundabout. FSD mimics human behavior. If you are speeding into a roundabout at 55 mph, you are the one in the wrong, not FSD. It's honestly kind of incredible the ridiculous lengths people go to try to discredit FSD.
    - FireBeyond 2y ago
      > > This is FUD. Who or what speeds up to 55 mph to enter a rotary? How is it that the posted limit and presumably map data indicates 55mp seconds before the rotary? What do you expect FSD which is training on humans using vision and the maps to do? I saw a dinky little rotary sign AT the rotary. I'd slam on the brakes or have an accident too. This is a laughable hot take. "seconds before". Watching the video, it starts with him at 43mph, and he drives at 55mph for FORTY SECONDS before encountering the roundabout. All these clowns saying "Oh, in the real world he'd have slowed down for that roundabout". No. He wouldn't have started slowing down two-thirds of a mile away (40 seconds at 55mph). This is a garbage argument.
- UltraSane 2y ago
  Almost crashing the car IS a gotcha for any vehicle purporting to be autonomous. Especially when Musk seems to be betting Tesla on it working vastly better than it currently is.
UltraSane 2y ago
I will never understand how Tesla can get away with releasing such a broken product on the market and charging for it.