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It’s 2024 and I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not.

by notpushkin 2y ago

ryandv 2y ago
Feel free to debate the statement on its merits, at face value.
- WillAdams 2y ago
  The problem is, just the mere fact of communication is sufficient to determine relationships, which can make any sort of organized action simple to identify, root out and quash: https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/ https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metad... >The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. If the 2nd Amendment applies to a modern firearm (and it should), then the 4th amendment has to apply to e-mails and text messages.
- amiga386 2y ago
  Your proposal is too modest. Why should only law enforcement see our messages? All messages should be treated like the banns of marriage and read aloud by the local priest or posted on the church walls, so that all interested parties can learn their contents and raise any relevant legal objection.
  - Attrecomet 2y ago
    In actual fact, your proposal is too modest. Why should only electronic messages be so publicized? After all, relevant communication, either for our protectors in law enforcement (and secret services, don't forget their hard work for our prosperity) or for us members of society, happens via all kinds of mediums. Privacy of correspondence might have had some relevance in the past, but today, with LLMs helping us work through the huge amount of data, every letter should automatically be scanned and added to a database for further consumption. Every telephone conversation. Actually, we should force phone manufacturers to turn their devices into permanent microphones and record everything they hear, gathered in public databases. The best results from last week's search can then be read aloud in church or at community meetups.
    - rapind 2y ago
      I’m OK with this so long as I’m in a position of power and exempt from having my communications public.
    - hydrolox 2y ago
      In fact, your proposal is too modest still. We are still free to think whatever we want! We should fast forward the development of neuralink chips and broadcast everyone's thoughts live to everyone at all times so that you can make a judgement of unethical behavior
      - 123yawaworht456 2y ago
        Your lack ambition. We should instead proceed with Human Instrumentality Project and turn the mankind into an abstract singularity.
amiga386 2y ago
It's your lucky day! I have trained an LLM that reliably detects sarcasm. It was trained on only the finest sarcasm, dramatic irony, situational irony, ridicule and tomfoolery. As an amazing side effect it can even detect whether statements were made in bad faith or good faith with 100% reliability. You need never guess someone's intentions again! The machine will tell you. I intend to launch it soon, don't miss this investment opportunity!
michaelt 2y ago
Then allow me to knock it up a notch! Encryption isn't needed, because nothing important happens over the internet. Nobody shops online, or does their banking online. Nobody would ever work from home over the internet - how would the boss know if workers were sleeping on the job? People who want to buy stocks from their phone simply phone their stockbroker. Anyone can post any nonsense on the internet, so it's useless for any serious research. Dating online, where anyone can lie about anything? I hardly think that's likely. The idea that a control system for an important bit of infrastructure like a power plant would be connected to the internet? A car with a driver assistance system getting software updates over the internet? Utterly inconceivable. A pandemic that shifts almost the entire economy and almost all socialisation online? I doubt that would ever happen. In my society, we cover our mouths when we sneeze, and wash our hands after using the bathroom. Just look at the most valuable companies, that have driven the growth of the economy over recent decades. Apple, Google, Microsoft, Nvidia, Amazon, Facebook, Netflix. If there's one thing they have in common, it's that they're absolutely nothing to do with the internet. The internet is, at its heart, nothing more than a chatroom for shut-in losers to talk about pokemon - so there's no need for anything online to be private.
- pixxel 2y ago
  > so there's no need for anything online to be private I disagree. Unless you’re being sarcastic?
  - notpushkin 2y ago
    @michaelt: looks like you need to knock it further up still!

It’s 2024 and I can’t tell if this is sarcasm or not.

ryandv 2y ago

Feel free to debate the statement on its merits, at face value.

WillAdams 2y ago
The problem is, just the mere fact of communication is sufficient to determine relationships, which can make any sort of organized action simple to identify, root out and quash: https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metadata-to-find-paul-revere/ https://kieranhealy.org/blog/archives/2013/06/09/using-metad... >The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. If the 2nd Amendment applies to a modern firearm (and it should), then the 4th amendment has to apply to e-mails and text messages.
amiga386 2y ago
Your proposal is too modest. Why should only law enforcement see our messages? All messages should be treated like the banns of marriage and read aloud by the local priest or posted on the church walls, so that all interested parties can learn their contents and raise any relevant legal objection.
- Attrecomet 2y ago
  In actual fact, your proposal is too modest. Why should only electronic messages be so publicized? After all, relevant communication, either for our protectors in law enforcement (and secret services, don't forget their hard work for our prosperity) or for us members of society, happens via all kinds of mediums. Privacy of correspondence might have had some relevance in the past, but today, with LLMs helping us work through the huge amount of data, every letter should automatically be scanned and added to a database for further consumption. Every telephone conversation. Actually, we should force phone manufacturers to turn their devices into permanent microphones and record everything they hear, gathered in public databases. The best results from last week's search can then be read aloud in church or at community meetups.
  - rapind 2y ago
    I’m OK with this so long as I’m in a position of power and exempt from having my communications public.
  - hydrolox 2y ago
    In fact, your proposal is too modest still. We are still free to think whatever we want! We should fast forward the development of neuralink chips and broadcast everyone's thoughts live to everyone at all times so that you can make a judgement of unethical behavior
    - 123yawaworht456 2y ago
      Your lack ambition. We should instead proceed with Human Instrumentality Project and turn the mankind into an abstract singularity.

amiga386 2y ago

It's your lucky day! I have trained an LLM that reliably detects sarcasm. It was trained on only the finest sarcasm, dramatic irony, situational irony, ridicule and tomfoolery. As an amazing side effect it can even detect whether statements were made in bad faith or good faith with 100% reliability. You need never guess someone's intentions again! The machine will tell you. I intend to launch it soon, don't miss this investment opportunity!

michaelt 2y ago

Then allow me to knock it up a notch! Encryption isn't needed, because nothing important happens over the internet. Nobody shops online, or does their banking online. Nobody would ever work from home over the internet - how would the boss know if workers were sleeping on the job? People who want to buy stocks from their phone simply phone their stockbroker. Anyone can post any nonsense on the internet, so it's useless for any serious research. Dating online, where anyone can lie about anything? I hardly think that's likely. The idea that a control system for an important bit of infrastructure like a power plant would be connected to the internet? A car with a driver assistance system getting software updates over the internet? Utterly inconceivable. A pandemic that shifts almost the entire economy and almost all socialisation online? I doubt that would ever happen. In my society, we cover our mouths when we sneeze, and wash our hands after using the bathroom. Just look at the most valuable companies, that have driven the growth of the economy over recent decades. Apple, Google, Microsoft, Nvidia, Amazon, Facebook, Netflix. If there's one thing they have in common, it's that they're absolutely nothing to do with the internet. The internet is, at its heart, nothing more than a chatroom for shut-in losers to talk about pokemon - so there's no need for anything online to be private.

pixxel 2y ago
> so there's no need for anything online to be private I disagree. Unless you’re being sarcastic?
- notpushkin 2y ago
  @michaelt: looks like you need to knock it further up still!