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Luckily if they die another will rise up. At this point I’m thinking I’ll just use the Apple Keychain if Bitwarden gets up to no good again.

by ok_dad 2y ago

lxgr 2y ago
Two things are preventing me from doing that: I occasionally want to access my passwords in a browser (and I do not want to log in to iCloud on that machine), and I'd feel really bad about having my passkeys stored in an Apple service with absolutely no way of exporting them in case I ever do switch platforms. (Bitwarden at least includes passkeys in their JSON export format, as far as I know.)
- ValentineC 2y ago
  As another commenter has mentioned, Apple Passwords allows export to simple CSV: https://support.apple.com/en-us/guide/passwords/mchl35b12625/mac https://support.apple.com/en-us/guide/passwords/mchl35b12625... What I dislike about Apple Passwords is how tightly coupled everything is. I just tried to set it up on my Windows 10 machine with a local account, but it requires Windows Hello to be turned on, which can't be done except with a Microsoft account. Kinda ridiculous of them to force arbitrary restrictions on us.
  - lxgr 2y ago
    > Apple Passwords allows export to simple CSV Not of passkeys, to my knowledge. > What I dislike about Apple Passwords is how tightly coupled everything is. That’s definitely also discouraging me as well.
rascul 2y ago
What was the no good that Bitwarden got up to?
- abathur 2y ago
  https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41893994 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41893994
  - Capricorn2481 2y ago
    Sounds like this is what they open sourced? So I don't really see the issue.
    - ValentineC 2y ago
      It was "source available", but licensed under their proprietary Bitwarden licence and not GPLv3.
      - Capricorn2481 2y ago
        What I mean is the problem is remedied now and was likely not the big deal people thought it was. Sounds like they packaged something into the software forgetting it was under a different license and quickly relicensed it. But this thread is framing it like they burned a bridge.
freedomben 2y ago
It probably doesn't matter for you if you'll never be leaving Apple's ecosystem, but for anyone else, I think that's something to keep in mind before moving to a non-portable solution like Apple keychain.
- accrual 2y ago
  I would love to use Apple keychain but you're right - as a mixed OS user, it's a tough sell.
  - accrual 2y ago
    Just thinking outloud to myself - if Apple could embed their key management tech in a simple cross platform UI and support Windows, Linux, iOS, Android, and the web like Bitwarden - they'd be a viable alternative.
- crossroadsguy 2y ago
  > non-portable solution like Apple keychain Yes, non-portable across different OEMs. But Apple Passwords app lets you export your passwords in a nice little simple csv file. It was a suspicion-filled (because it's Apple) pleasant surprise to find that out.
  - rqtwteye 2y ago
    In the old Apple passwords thing, they used to have that export feature but they took it away at some point. Learned this the hard way when I switched to Linux for a while.
chillfox 2y ago
If I wasn't busy playing with AI stuff then I would be very tempted to build my own password manager cloud service, it feels like a chance to shine shows up at least once every two years in that space. I don't know what it is, but password managers just love the high-speed enshittification train.
- TechDebtDevin 2y ago
  Its not very easy and you shouldn't do it unless your domain is cryptography. This is something I've tried to do myself as well and realized it's better off left to the pros.

Luckily if they die another will rise up. At this point I’m thinking I’ll just use the Apple Keychain if Bitwarden gets up to no good again.

by ok_dad 2y ago

Luckily if they die another will rise up. At this point I’m thinking I’ll just use the Apple Keychain if Bitwarden gets up to no good again.

lxgr 2y ago

Two things are preventing me from doing that: I occasionally want to access my passwords in a browser (and I do not want to log in to iCloud on that machine), and I'd feel really bad about having my passkeys stored in an Apple service with absolutely no way of exporting them in case I ever do switch platforms. (Bitwarden at least includes passkeys in their JSON export format, as far as I know.)

ValentineC 2y ago
As another commenter has mentioned, Apple Passwords allows export to simple CSV: https://support.apple.com/en-us/guide/passwords/mchl35b12625/mac https://support.apple.com/en-us/guide/passwords/mchl35b12625... What I dislike about Apple Passwords is how tightly coupled everything is. I just tried to set it up on my Windows 10 machine with a local account, but it requires Windows Hello to be turned on, which can't be done except with a Microsoft account. Kinda ridiculous of them to force arbitrary restrictions on us.
- lxgr 2y ago
  > Apple Passwords allows export to simple CSV Not of passkeys, to my knowledge. > What I dislike about Apple Passwords is how tightly coupled everything is. That’s definitely also discouraging me as well.

rascul 2y ago

What was the no good that Bitwarden got up to?

abathur 2y ago
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41893994 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41893994
- Capricorn2481 2y ago
  Sounds like this is what they open sourced? So I don't really see the issue.
  - ValentineC 2y ago
    It was "source available", but licensed under their proprietary Bitwarden licence and not GPLv3.
    - Capricorn2481 2y ago
      What I mean is the problem is remedied now and was likely not the big deal people thought it was. Sounds like they packaged something into the software forgetting it was under a different license and quickly relicensed it. But this thread is framing it like they burned a bridge.

freedomben 2y ago

It probably doesn't matter for you if you'll never be leaving Apple's ecosystem, but for anyone else, I think that's something to keep in mind before moving to a non-portable solution like Apple keychain.

accrual 2y ago
I would love to use Apple keychain but you're right - as a mixed OS user, it's a tough sell.
- accrual 2y ago
  Just thinking outloud to myself - if Apple could embed their key management tech in a simple cross platform UI and support Windows, Linux, iOS, Android, and the web like Bitwarden - they'd be a viable alternative.
crossroadsguy 2y ago
> non-portable solution like Apple keychain Yes, non-portable across different OEMs. But Apple Passwords app lets you export your passwords in a nice little simple csv file. It was a suspicion-filled (because it's Apple) pleasant surprise to find that out.
- rqtwteye 2y ago
  In the old Apple passwords thing, they used to have that export feature but they took it away at some point. Learned this the hard way when I switched to Linux for a while.

chillfox 2y ago

If I wasn't busy playing with AI stuff then I would be very tempted to build my own password manager cloud service, it feels like a chance to shine shows up at least once every two years in that space. I don't know what it is, but password managers just love the high-speed enshittification train.

TechDebtDevin 2y ago
Its not very easy and you shouldn't do it unless your domain is cryptography. This is something I've tried to do myself as well and realized it's better off left to the pros.