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Yet Russia, a country the leader of which is wanted for war crimes - is on the permanent Security Council. The whole organization needs to be uprooted and rebu

Yet Russia, a country the leader of which is wanted for war crimes - is on the permanent Security Council. The whole organization needs to be uprooted and rebuilt. It's become a farce.

whamlastxmas 2y ago
Multiple recent American presidents also committed war crimes
- SauciestGNU 2y ago
  The set of American presidents who haven't would be more easily enumerable/null.
- renegade-otter 2y ago
  We can discuss American misadventures and horrible decisions in the aftermath of 9/11, but equating the U.S. military to Russia, which effectively has rape and torture as part of its doctrine, is more than a stretch. To be clear, I totally expected a comment like that, but I can guarantee you 1000% that no Ukrainians will be hanging on to Russian cargo plane wheels once they are booted out.
  - whamlastxmas 2y ago
    Guantanamo was and is a thing, there are literally handbooks on how to torture used by the American military. The American military also has a long, rich history of systemic sexual assault. Heck one of my friends was sexually assaulted by a service member to the point of hospitalization and he received no punishment or recourse. I also think reporting on Russian military by western media is largely propaganda, it’s hard to know what’s true and take.
    - renegade-otter 2y ago
      Well, you can't just show your cards THAT quickly. It's so hard to know! You can see the leveled cities from space, but "everything is possible and nothing is true". Okay.
everforward 2y ago
Russia is there because they wouldn’t even come to the table otherwise, and it’s more valuable to have a hobbled organization than one that doesn’t include significant powers. The others don’t have permanent slots because they joined when they had less power, or they never gained enough power to bargain.
- type0 2y ago
  Russia isn't a founding member because they're not the same as Soviet Union. Ukraine on the other hand is one of the founding members. Just by allowing Russia to keep the permanent seat of USSR legitimizes their revanchist goals to regain the territories they controlled during the cold war The best move UN could do is to kick Russia out of permanent seat as it was done with Republic of China, US has the mechanisms to do it but sadly they never will
rasz 2y ago
United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres just bowed to putin yesterday https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/world/3201518/brics-summit-13-partners-un-guterres-praise/ https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/world/3201518/brics-...
red-iron-pine 2y ago
the permanent seats on the security counsel are the winners of WW2.

Yet Russia, a country the leader of which is wanted for war crimes - is on the permanent Security Council. The whole organization needs to be uprooted and rebuilt. It's become a farce.

whamlastxmas 2y ago

Multiple recent American presidents also committed war crimes

SauciestGNU 2y ago
The set of American presidents who haven't would be more easily enumerable/null.
renegade-otter 2y ago
We can discuss American misadventures and horrible decisions in the aftermath of 9/11, but equating the U.S. military to Russia, which effectively has rape and torture as part of its doctrine, is more than a stretch. To be clear, I totally expected a comment like that, but I can guarantee you 1000% that no Ukrainians will be hanging on to Russian cargo plane wheels once they are booted out.
- whamlastxmas 2y ago
  Guantanamo was and is a thing, there are literally handbooks on how to torture used by the American military. The American military also has a long, rich history of systemic sexual assault. Heck one of my friends was sexually assaulted by a service member to the point of hospitalization and he received no punishment or recourse. I also think reporting on Russian military by western media is largely propaganda, it’s hard to know what’s true and take.
  - renegade-otter 2y ago
    Well, you can't just show your cards THAT quickly. It's so hard to know! You can see the leveled cities from space, but "everything is possible and nothing is true". Okay.

everforward 2y ago

Russia is there because they wouldn’t even come to the table otherwise, and it’s more valuable to have a hobbled organization than one that doesn’t include significant powers. The others don’t have permanent slots because they joined when they had less power, or they never gained enough power to bargain.

type0 2y ago
Russia isn't a founding member because they're not the same as Soviet Union. Ukraine on the other hand is one of the founding members. Just by allowing Russia to keep the permanent seat of USSR legitimizes their revanchist goals to regain the territories they controlled during the cold war The best move UN could do is to kick Russia out of permanent seat as it was done with Republic of China, US has the mechanisms to do it but sadly they never will

rasz 2y ago

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres just bowed to putin yesterday https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/world/3201518/brics-summit-13-partners-un-guterres-praise/ https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/world/3201518/brics-...

red-iron-pine 2y ago

the permanent seats on the security counsel are the winners of WW2.