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How are you under the impression that you saved anyone or that the US had lower rates than other countries? The US is top 10 or close, in deaths per case or dea

by vasco 2y ago

How are you under the impression that you saved anyone or that the US had lower rates than other countries? The US is top 10 or close, in deaths per case or deaths per capita of most statistics I can find for COVID-19. It doesn't seem to me like you're basing your thoughts on reality if your pre-existing supposition is "there were less deaths in the US". https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality

DavidPeiffer 2y ago
I'm not able to research this in depth right now, but obesity was a pretty strong predictor of outcome. In general, the US population has is very unhealthy and obese. I'd be curious to see rates by country by BMI and infection date. There were definitely lessons learned from Italy's early surge that helped other countries in the early days.
- vasco 2y ago
  There's no need to research the why. The only point I'm making is the end result - which they used as the main base of their argument on, is not true. Why it's not true is likely very complex, but it's not true. Nobody is going to be grateful for something that didn't happen, why would people be grateful for dying less as a population, if they in fact did not die less? Also there were lockdowns all over the world, not just in the US.
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bruce511 2y ago
Researchers and statisticians will be poring over covid data for decades to come. There are so many variables to control for that at this point that definitive statements are hard. For example, the "US death rate" is somewhat meaningless because it encompasses multiple communities which adopted multiple strategies, with multiple levels of diligence, and covers both large concentrated populations and small distributed populations. US deaths were not evenly spread, so there was certainly some variety of outcome with variety of mitigation. Overall, the US death rate though is high, which suggests that it's very high in some areas. The correlation between strategy, compliance and outcome will feed researchers for a long time.
- vasco 2y ago
  I know many deaths were wrongly attributed to COVID everywhere, the whole debacle about deaths 'with COVID' or 'from COVID', among others. Question is your point only reinforces my argument, because the data we have shows the US rates were roughly the same up to one of the worst, and the data we don't have we don't know what it says. So to conclude the complete opposite of what the current data shows, dirty or not, is wrong. To then be upset at it is misguided.
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by vasco 2y ago

DavidPeiffer 2y ago

I'm not able to research this in depth right now, but obesity was a pretty strong predictor of outcome. In general, the US population has is very unhealthy and obese. I'd be curious to see rates by country by BMI and infection date. There were definitely lessons learned from Italy's early surge that helped other countries in the early days.

vasco 2y ago
There's no need to research the why. The only point I'm making is the end result - which they used as the main base of their argument on, is not true. Why it's not true is likely very complex, but it's not true. Nobody is going to be grateful for something that didn't happen, why would people be grateful for dying less as a population, if they in fact did not die less? Also there were lockdowns all over the world, not just in the US.
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bruce511 2y ago

Researchers and statisticians will be poring over covid data for decades to come. There are so many variables to control for that at this point that definitive statements are hard. For example, the "US death rate" is somewhat meaningless because it encompasses multiple communities which adopted multiple strategies, with multiple levels of diligence, and covers both large concentrated populations and small distributed populations. US deaths were not evenly spread, so there was certainly some variety of outcome with variety of mitigation. Overall, the US death rate though is high, which suggests that it's very high in some areas. The correlation between strategy, compliance and outcome will feed researchers for a long time.

vasco 2y ago
I know many deaths were wrongly attributed to COVID everywhere, the whole debacle about deaths 'with COVID' or 'from COVID', among others. Question is your point only reinforces my argument, because the data we have shows the US rates were roughly the same up to one of the worst, and the data we don't have we don't know what it says. So to conclude the complete opposite of what the current data shows, dirty or not, is wrong. To then be upset at it is misguided.

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