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I know Sean said on Twitter that he probably won't submit this to WG21, but I wish he would... It is a fantastic rebuttal of certain individual's continued han

I know Sean said on Twitter that he probably won't submit this to WG21, but I wish he would... It is a fantastic rebuttal of certain individual's continued hand-waving about how C++ is safe enough as-is.

bfrog 2y ago
This seems to be a common theme with many c++ developers honestly.
- saagarjha 2y ago
  Some of them are unfortunately on language committees.
- OvbiousError 2y ago
  Most C++ devs don't care that much either way I'd say, it's a vocal minority that does. I really don't understand the nay-sayers though, been a C++ dev for over 15 years, I'd give an arm and a leg for 1. faster language evolution (cries in pattern matching) and 2. a way to enforce safe code. Having to use std::variant when I want to use a sum type in 2024 is just so backwards it's hard to express. Still love the language though :p
  - pjmlp 2y ago
    C++ became my favourite language after Object Pascal, as it provided similar safety levels, added with the portability. I never been that big into C, although I do know it relatively well, as much as anyone can claim to do so, because it is a key language in anything UNIX/POSIX and Windows anyway. One of the appealing things back then were the C++ frameworks that were provided alongside C++ compilers, pre-ISO C++98, all of them with more security consideration than what ended up landing on the standard library, e.g. bounds checking by default on collection types. Nowadays I rather spend my time in other languages, and reach out to C++ on a per-need basis, as other language communities take the security discussion more seriously. However, likewise I still love the language itself, and is one of those that I usually reach for in side projects, where I can freely turn to 100% all the safety features available to me, without the usual drama from some C++ circles.
myworkinisgood 2y ago
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bfrog 2y ago

This seems to be a common theme with many c++ developers honestly.

saagarjha 2y ago
Some of them are unfortunately on language committees.
OvbiousError 2y ago
Most C++ devs don't care that much either way I'd say, it's a vocal minority that does. I really don't understand the nay-sayers though, been a C++ dev for over 15 years, I'd give an arm and a leg for 1. faster language evolution (cries in pattern matching) and 2. a way to enforce safe code. Having to use std::variant when I want to use a sum type in 2024 is just so backwards it's hard to express. Still love the language though :p
- pjmlp 2y ago
  C++ became my favourite language after Object Pascal, as it provided similar safety levels, added with the portability. I never been that big into C, although I do know it relatively well, as much as anyone can claim to do so, because it is a key language in anything UNIX/POSIX and Windows anyway. One of the appealing things back then were the C++ frameworks that were provided alongside C++ compilers, pre-ISO C++98, all of them with more security consideration than what ended up landing on the standard library, e.g. bounds checking by default on collection types. Nowadays I rather spend my time in other languages, and reach out to C++ on a per-need basis, as other language communities take the security discussion more seriously. However, likewise I still love the language itself, and is one of those that I usually reach for in side projects, where I can freely turn to 100% all the safety features available to me, without the usual drama from some C++ circles.

myworkinisgood 2y ago

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