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Hezbollah has launched over 10,000 rockets at Israel since Oct 7 last year. While under the watch of the UN. But apparently Israel is supposed to just do nothin

by erentz 2y ago

Hezbollah has launched over 10,000 rockets at Israel since Oct 7 last year. While under the watch of the UN. But apparently Israel is supposed to just do nothing about it and accept it going on for as long as Hezbollah likes. Absolutely no other country on this planet would. So many people seem to have a special set of double standards they apply to Israel for some reason.

swaits 2y ago
This times 10^6. Nicely said. There is a staggering amount of ignorance present in the other comments here. I was ignorant too. But I spent a good amount of time educating myself this year. I hope others do the same so they can make completely informed assessments. I worry about tribalism and politics driving too much of the thinking.
krunck 2y ago
Which attack came first? Who is responding to who? It just doesn't matter any more. Hezbollah and Israel need to calm the fuck down. And one more thing. I get to criticize the living fuck out of Israel because as an American I am paying for most of it's weapons.
- lostmsu 2y ago
  > Which attack came first? Who is responding to who? It just doesn't matter any more. As a fellow taxpayer, fuck no. As the initiator, Hezbollah can stop shooting the rockets at any moment, give up the Oct 2023 attackers and everyone actively involved. I don't see why that wouldn't stop Israel from going further. This can not work for Israel, because they are responsible for bringing these fucks to justice.
  - shiroiushi 2y ago
    >As the initiator, Hezbollah can stop shooting the rockets at any moment, give up the Oct 2023 attackers and everyone actively involved. I don't think Hezbollah has any of the Oct 2023 attackers. Those attackers all came from Gaza, and were in Hamas. Hezbollah just decided to join in on the side of Hamas by shooting rockets, but they weren't the ones who did the Oct 2023 attack.
    - lostmsu 2y ago
      > decided to join in on the side of Hamas by shooting rockets You answered your own objection then.
      - shiroiushi 2y ago
        No, I didn't: your assertion still doesn't make sense. No Oct 2023 attackers came from Lebanon (it's quite a long distance away from southern Israel after all), so how exactly are they supposed to "give them up"? They're all in Gaza. Hezbollah doesn't control Gaza.
        sawmurai 2y ago
        So basically they would just have to stop shooting rockets at Israel and it would be over?
        shiroiushi 2y ago
        I suppose; I'm simply addressing the part about "giving up" the Oct 2023 attackers. They aren't in Lebanon anywhere, so there's no way to "give them up".
        rendall 2y ago
        Probably not, at this point. Israel left it to the UN, which failed to maintain peace and order. I imagine the intent would be to smash Hezbollah like Hamas.
- erentz 2y ago
  Which came first in your mind? Are you trying to go back to 1948 here? I mean why stop there we could say this is all stems from the assassination of Franz Ferdinand leading to the invasion of and break up of the Ottomon empire. But we have to live in the reality we have today. In this reality Hezbollah started attacking Israel after Oct 7 in support of Hamas’s attack on Israel. But for that happening Israel would not be invading southern Lebanon to try and put and end to these attacks now. There is nothing at all wrong with criticizing Israel, I am deeply annoyed with a lot they do, the right wing element and the West Bank settlers are really ruining the ability to reach a two state solution. (Palestinian leaders also share blame in not reaching this outcome too sadly.) The problem is that people so often have double standards and expectations of Israelis they would never apply to anyone else. And they definitely never seem to have similar expectations for Hezbollah or Hamas. This isn’t constructive and gets kind of antisemitic after a while (Jews are different, hence unrealistic expectations, they should just take the rocket fire and never respond). It’s a weird lack of empathizing with Israelis as also being real humans behaving as real humans anywhere would. This really doesn’t help bring about any kind of peace.
  - ahdignfndj 2y ago
    Just because other countries started by brutally colonizing the natives does not mean we should let Israel continue doing it. A true solution requires some admission of guilt on their end for the past century of death and destruction and a path forward that creates a state that is not tied to Jewish identity. Much like other western nations, they will have to learn to deal with a diverse population by abandoning their previous culture and religion.
    - erentz 2y ago
      Israel is simply not going to decide to cease to exist. People living in Israel are not going to up and leave. They’re not going to say “sure take my house” any more than you would. This kind of thing is entirely magical thinking that can only happen because you aren’t able to generate any kind of empathy for people living in Israel. Kids born in the West Bank or Gaza today are not helped to have a better future by this kind of thinking you’re pushing here.
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jacooper 2y ago
Israel launched way more attacks agaibst Lebanon than hezbollah ever did. https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/bfa9/live/320f2410-4509-11ef-96a8-e710c6bfc866.png.webp https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/bfa9/liv... Stop lying. You are comparing a paramilitary with an literally commiting a holocaust, with shaban Al-dalou as a clear example. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/15/shaban-al-dalou-the-palestinian-teen-burned-to-death-in-israeli-bombing https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/15/shaban-al-dalou-th...
- jacooper 2y ago
  A regime*

by erentz 2y ago

swaits 2y ago

This times 10^6. Nicely said. There is a staggering amount of ignorance present in the other comments here. I was ignorant too. But I spent a good amount of time educating myself this year. I hope others do the same so they can make completely informed assessments. I worry about tribalism and politics driving too much of the thinking.

krunck 2y ago

Which attack came first? Who is responding to who? It just doesn't matter any more. Hezbollah and Israel need to calm the fuck down. And one more thing. I get to criticize the living fuck out of Israel because as an American I am paying for most of it's weapons.

lostmsu 2y ago
> Which attack came first? Who is responding to who? It just doesn't matter any more. As a fellow taxpayer, fuck no. As the initiator, Hezbollah can stop shooting the rockets at any moment, give up the Oct 2023 attackers and everyone actively involved. I don't see why that wouldn't stop Israel from going further. This can not work for Israel, because they are responsible for bringing these fucks to justice.
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  >As the initiator, Hezbollah can stop shooting the rockets at any moment, give up the Oct 2023 attackers and everyone actively involved. I don't think Hezbollah has any of the Oct 2023 attackers. Those attackers all came from Gaza, and were in Hamas. Hezbollah just decided to join in on the side of Hamas by shooting rockets, but they weren't the ones who did the Oct 2023 attack.
  - lostmsu 2y ago
    > decided to join in on the side of Hamas by shooting rockets You answered your own objection then.
    - shiroiushi 2y ago
      No, I didn't: your assertion still doesn't make sense. No Oct 2023 attackers came from Lebanon (it's quite a long distance away from southern Israel after all), so how exactly are they supposed to "give them up"? They're all in Gaza. Hezbollah doesn't control Gaza.
      - sawmurai 2y ago
        So basically they would just have to stop shooting rockets at Israel and it would be over?
        shiroiushi 2y ago
        I suppose; I'm simply addressing the part about "giving up" the Oct 2023 attackers. They aren't in Lebanon anywhere, so there's no way to "give them up".
        rendall 2y ago
        Probably not, at this point. Israel left it to the UN, which failed to maintain peace and order. I imagine the intent would be to smash Hezbollah like Hamas.
erentz 2y ago
Which came first in your mind? Are you trying to go back to 1948 here? I mean why stop there we could say this is all stems from the assassination of Franz Ferdinand leading to the invasion of and break up of the Ottomon empire. But we have to live in the reality we have today. In this reality Hezbollah started attacking Israel after Oct 7 in support of Hamas’s attack on Israel. But for that happening Israel would not be invading southern Lebanon to try and put and end to these attacks now. There is nothing at all wrong with criticizing Israel, I am deeply annoyed with a lot they do, the right wing element and the West Bank settlers are really ruining the ability to reach a two state solution. (Palestinian leaders also share blame in not reaching this outcome too sadly.) The problem is that people so often have double standards and expectations of Israelis they would never apply to anyone else. And they definitely never seem to have similar expectations for Hezbollah or Hamas. This isn’t constructive and gets kind of antisemitic after a while (Jews are different, hence unrealistic expectations, they should just take the rocket fire and never respond). It’s a weird lack of empathizing with Israelis as also being real humans behaving as real humans anywhere would. This really doesn’t help bring about any kind of peace.
- ahdignfndj 2y ago
  Just because other countries started by brutally colonizing the natives does not mean we should let Israel continue doing it. A true solution requires some admission of guilt on their end for the past century of death and destruction and a path forward that creates a state that is not tied to Jewish identity. Much like other western nations, they will have to learn to deal with a diverse population by abandoning their previous culture and religion.
  - erentz 2y ago
    Israel is simply not going to decide to cease to exist. People living in Israel are not going to up and leave. They’re not going to say “sure take my house” any more than you would. This kind of thing is entirely magical thinking that can only happen because you aren’t able to generate any kind of empathy for people living in Israel. Kids born in the West Bank or Gaza today are not helped to have a better future by this kind of thinking you’re pushing here.

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jacooper 2y ago

Israel launched way more attacks agaibst Lebanon than hezbollah ever did. https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/bfa9/live/320f2410-4509-11ef-96a8-e710c6bfc866.png.webp https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/bfa9/liv... Stop lying. You are comparing a paramilitary with an literally commiting a holocaust, with shaban Al-dalou as a clear example. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/15/shaban-al-dalou-the-palestinian-teen-burned-to-death-in-israeli-bombing https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/10/15/shaban-al-dalou-th...

jacooper 2y ago
A regime*