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I don't think ARM has much to worry about from RISC V in the near future. RISC V is neat, I even ordered a SBC, but it's no where near refined enough for usage

I don't think ARM has much to worry about from RISC V in the near future. RISC V is neat, I even ordered a SBC, but it's no where near refined enough for usage in anything aside from tiny IOT devices. I do think this is the end of Windows on ARM though. To my knowledge ( I can always be wrong) ARM is suing over the chips ultimately included in WoA PCs, the Snapdragon Elite and Plus chips. Once the dust settles, I suspect Qualcomm will just stop making those chips. Or we live in wacky world and Qualcomm will be prevented from making anything outside of reference designs. Mediatek's time to shine?

MR4D 2y ago
I’d bet significant money that Qualcomm would invest heavily to make riscV successful if they get hosed by Arm. Its take a few years, but they will succeed.
LeFantome 2y ago
Disagree. If enough money moves behind RISC-V, it will catch up. This is exactly how that could happen. No way Qualcomm just stops selling these chips. As the article says, it is not just Windows machines but smart phones as well. This will all conclude with a new agreement between Qualcomm and ARM. They both need it to. If Qualcomm has to stop using ARM for their high-end agenda, their next attempt will use RISC-V for sure.
- 999900000999 2y ago
  So ARM is just playing hardball ? I like RISC V, the idea of an open standard is better for everyone. In theory hobbyists could eventually make their own chips. I'm always open to being wrong, Chat GPT 5( or whatever they have in the lab that's not public) might be able to design RISC V chips faster than we can imagine.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
  China is the enough money. They have reasons to dedicate government resources to keeping RISCV development moving along until it is a real option for all current use cases.
Pet_Ant 2y ago
I mean a RISC-V netbook with a Linux GUI already exists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qDGV6LTOnk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qDGV6LTOnk That is what is already exists. Put some money into it and you have a real product. The work Microsoft did for Windows on ARM I'm sure is mostly compatible. Windows has been a large number of architectures in the past (PowerPC, Itanium, Alpha, MIPS) so portability is in it's DNA and there isn't much ARM-native & hardcoded Windows software out there.
- 999900000999 2y ago
  I was thinking of this https://deepcomputing.io/product/dc-roma-risc-v-laptop-ii/ https://deepcomputing.io/product/dc-roma-risc-v-laptop-ii/ ARM is still leaps ahead though. The next 5 years will be interesting, I don't think ARM is stupid enough to price themselves out of the market.

MR4D 2y ago

I’d bet significant money that Qualcomm would invest heavily to make riscV successful if they get hosed by Arm. Its take a few years, but they will succeed.

LeFantome 2y ago

Disagree. If enough money moves behind RISC-V, it will catch up. This is exactly how that could happen. No way Qualcomm just stops selling these chips. As the article says, it is not just Windows machines but smart phones as well. This will all conclude with a new agreement between Qualcomm and ARM. They both need it to. If Qualcomm has to stop using ARM for their high-end agenda, their next attempt will use RISC-V for sure.

999900000999 2y ago
So ARM is just playing hardball ? I like RISC V, the idea of an open standard is better for everyone. In theory hobbyists could eventually make their own chips. I'm always open to being wrong, Chat GPT 5( or whatever they have in the lab that's not public) might be able to design RISC V chips faster than we can imagine.
0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
China is the enough money. They have reasons to dedicate government resources to keeping RISCV development moving along until it is a real option for all current use cases.

Pet_Ant 2y ago

I mean a RISC-V netbook with a Linux GUI already exists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qDGV6LTOnk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qDGV6LTOnk That is what is already exists. Put some money into it and you have a real product. The work Microsoft did for Windows on ARM I'm sure is mostly compatible. Windows has been a large number of architectures in the past (PowerPC, Itanium, Alpha, MIPS) so portability is in it's DNA and there isn't much ARM-native & hardcoded Windows software out there.

999900000999 2y ago
I was thinking of this https://deepcomputing.io/product/dc-roma-risc-v-laptop-ii/ https://deepcomputing.io/product/dc-roma-risc-v-laptop-ii/ ARM is still leaps ahead though. The next 5 years will be interesting, I don't think ARM is stupid enough to price themselves out of the market.