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Looks like they are really writing everything in Swift on the server side. Repo: https://github.com/apple/security-pcc https://github.com/apple/security-pcc

by dewey 2y ago

tessela 2y ago
I hope this helps people to consider Swift 6 as a viable option for server-side development, since it offers many of the modern safety features of Rust, including simpler memory management through ARC, compared to Rust’s more complex ownership system and more predictable than Go's garbage collector.
- willtemperley 2y ago
  I'd love to use Swift on Cloudflare Workers, but SwiftWASM doesn't seem production ready whereas Rust just works (mostly) on workers. Swift on AWS Lambda looks promising though.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  There are lots of sane alternatives to Go. Also don't bet on ARC for performance. https://github.com/ixy-languages/ixy-languages https://github.com/ixy-languages/ixy-languages
danielhep 2y ago
Is using something other than XCode viable? I'd love to do more with swift but I hate that IDE.
- selectodude 2y ago
  VS Code? https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=sswg.swift-lang https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=sswg.swi...
- dewey 2y ago
  Most editors will do, Xcode is mostly needed for iOS / macOS development if you want to submit to the App Store or work with a lot of Apple frameworks.
- iforgotmysocks 2y ago
  There is a Swift LSP. See - https://github.com/swiftlang/sourcekit-lsp https://github.com/swiftlang/sourcekit-lsp
- russelg 2y ago
  If you're a Jetbrains user, they have their AppCode IDE.
  - ceejayoz 2y ago
    That was discontinued in 2022.
- willtemperley 2y ago
  Have you used it recently, on an M series Mac? I used to feel the same, it was sluggish and crashed frequently. It's become usable now, even pleasant to use. Also it's great they support Vim keybindings now out-of-the-box.
miki123211 2y ago
It's worth keeping in mind that these AI machines run an environment very similar to Mac OS, XNU kernel and all, and are powered by Apple Silicon. Using Swift in that context makes sense. At least according to what we publicly know, no other backend Apple services follow this model.
- valleyjo 2y ago
  What do we know about apples other backend services? I’ve worked in compute infra in big tech for 8 years and I don’t know anything about apple’s backend.
  - withzombies 2y ago
    Apple has a lot of Java WebObjects running on old Unix servers

Looks like they are really writing everything in Swift on the server side. Repo: https://github.com/apple/security-pcc https://github.com/apple/security-pcc

by dewey 2y ago

Looks like they are really writing everything in Swift on the server side. Repo: https://github.com/apple/security-pcc https://github.com/apple/security-pcc

tessela 2y ago

I hope this helps people to consider Swift 6 as a viable option for server-side development, since it offers many of the modern safety features of Rust, including simpler memory management through ARC, compared to Rust’s more complex ownership system and more predictable than Go's garbage collector.

willtemperley 2y ago
I'd love to use Swift on Cloudflare Workers, but SwiftWASM doesn't seem production ready whereas Rust just works (mostly) on workers. Swift on AWS Lambda looks promising though.
pjmlp 2y ago
There are lots of sane alternatives to Go. Also don't bet on ARC for performance. https://github.com/ixy-languages/ixy-languages https://github.com/ixy-languages/ixy-languages

danielhep 2y ago

Is using something other than XCode viable? I'd love to do more with swift but I hate that IDE.

selectodude 2y ago
VS Code? https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=sswg.swift-lang https://marketplace.visualstudio.com/items?itemName=sswg.swi...
dewey 2y ago
Most editors will do, Xcode is mostly needed for iOS / macOS development if you want to submit to the App Store or work with a lot of Apple frameworks.
iforgotmysocks 2y ago
There is a Swift LSP. See - https://github.com/swiftlang/sourcekit-lsp https://github.com/swiftlang/sourcekit-lsp
russelg 2y ago
If you're a Jetbrains user, they have their AppCode IDE.
- ceejayoz 2y ago
  That was discontinued in 2022.
willtemperley 2y ago
Have you used it recently, on an M series Mac? I used to feel the same, it was sluggish and crashed frequently. It's become usable now, even pleasant to use. Also it's great they support Vim keybindings now out-of-the-box.

miki123211 2y ago

It's worth keeping in mind that these AI machines run an environment very similar to Mac OS, XNU kernel and all, and are powered by Apple Silicon. Using Swift in that context makes sense. At least according to what we publicly know, no other backend Apple services follow this model.

valleyjo 2y ago
What do we know about apples other backend services? I’ve worked in compute infra in big tech for 8 years and I don’t know anything about apple’s backend.
- withzombies 2y ago
  Apple has a lot of Java WebObjects running on old Unix servers