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> VS for Mac was junk. Better off trashing it and pushing people the VS Code route. Sure but VS Code for C# is trash as well. All those years, both Microsoft p

> VS for Mac was junk. Better off trashing it and pushing people the VS Code route. Sure but VS Code for C# is trash as well. All those years, both Microsoft products, and this the experience is subpar, especially in comparison to the real Visual Studio.

badsectoracula 2y ago
> both Microsoft products With 200K+ employees, at this point it is better to think of Microsoft as a city and different teams in it as independent companies in that city with employees that sometimes go out for coffee together :-P
- pooper 2y ago
  > With 200K+ employees, at this point it is better to think of Microsoft as a city and different teams in it as independent companies in that city with employees that sometimes go out for coffee together :-P As a former v dash, it was always amusing to see the proclamations come down from the mountain that basically said something like if you are using version x.y.z or below of so and so dependency you must correct it within n days. The people enforcing this seemingly didn't care what the application did or where you were in your software lifecycle, all they cared about was this dependency is raising a flag and we must fix it. :crylaugh:
  - fingerlocks 2y ago
    Dealing with random compliance issues is literally 50% of the job for most SWEs at msft. Another 40% is spent fingering a yubikey and closing browser login tabs. Occasionally you can get some real work done on a slow Wednesday afternoon.
- shiroiushi 2y ago
  I thought this org diagram was supposed to be an accurate portrayal of how different teams in MS relate to each other: https://i.extremetech.com/imagery/content-types/01b4upAMl7t9bbV6gPFUMOT/images-7.jpg https://i.extremetech.com/imagery/content-types/01b4upAMl7t9...
  - NBJack 2y ago
    Not enough weapons, and some of them should be pointed at the user for the most accurate portrayal. Particularly around any team working on Copilot.
pnathan 2y ago
Tried vs code recently, remembering old vs. Yeah not even in the same room of competence imo. Just a cranked up notepad++ in electron and with add-ons imo.
- throw4950sh06 2y ago
  The extensions are how you make it a proper IDE. I use cca 60, makes it better than VS ever was.
  - pnathan 2y ago
    Might as well use emacs at that point. :)
ed_elliott_asc 2y ago
100% which is why I use rider :)

badsectoracula 2y ago

> both Microsoft products With 200K+ employees, at this point it is better to think of Microsoft as a city and different teams in it as independent companies in that city with employees that sometimes go out for coffee together :-P

pooper 2y ago
> With 200K+ employees, at this point it is better to think of Microsoft as a city and different teams in it as independent companies in that city with employees that sometimes go out for coffee together :-P As a former v dash, it was always amusing to see the proclamations come down from the mountain that basically said something like if you are using version x.y.z or below of so and so dependency you must correct it within n days. The people enforcing this seemingly didn't care what the application did or where you were in your software lifecycle, all they cared about was this dependency is raising a flag and we must fix it. :crylaugh:
- fingerlocks 2y ago
  Dealing with random compliance issues is literally 50% of the job for most SWEs at msft. Another 40% is spent fingering a yubikey and closing browser login tabs. Occasionally you can get some real work done on a slow Wednesday afternoon.
shiroiushi 2y ago
I thought this org diagram was supposed to be an accurate portrayal of how different teams in MS relate to each other: https://i.extremetech.com/imagery/content-types/01b4upAMl7t9bbV6gPFUMOT/images-7.jpg https://i.extremetech.com/imagery/content-types/01b4upAMl7t9...
- NBJack 2y ago
  Not enough weapons, and some of them should be pointed at the user for the most accurate portrayal. Particularly around any team working on Copilot.

pnathan 2y ago

Tried vs code recently, remembering old vs. Yeah not even in the same room of competence imo. Just a cranked up notepad++ in electron and with add-ons imo.

throw4950sh06 2y ago
The extensions are how you make it a proper IDE. I use cca 60, makes it better than VS ever was.
- pnathan 2y ago
  Might as well use emacs at that point. :)

ed_elliott_asc 2y ago

100% which is why I use rider :)